Detention without trial for dozy

2012-12-11 08:10

CAPE TOWN - Drivers travelling in or through the Western Cape could see their car keys confiscated for four hours in a high-handed move to reduce the number of accidents caused by fatigue.

Provincial transport MEC Robin Carlisle is on the warpath again...

Based purely on the subjective opinion of traffic officers, people deemed to be tired will be told to park in a safe area near the road block at which they stopped and told to sit for four hours, when their keys would be returned for their journey continue.


This measure would be implemented, Carlisle's edict says, only if there was no other - presumably wide-awake - licensed driver in the vehicle.

Carlisle said the National Road Traffic Act empowered officers to stop people from driving if they were incapable, either physically or mentally.

Carlisle made a point of apologising for an answer he gave to a Cape Town newspaper which asked if was legal to confiscate keys and force drivers to rest - effectively holding them, and possibly their family, children, elderly people, under arrest on the "opinion" of a traffic cop.

He was quoted in the newspaper on Monday as saying: "I have no idea, but I don't care either... we've no option but to pull out all the stops, illegal or legal... I just don't know what else to do than to become very rough."

Heck, why not go the whole hog and stop traffic altogether?


He said he regretted the remarks which made it seem as if he was not certain about the law but would do what he wanted anyway.

"I feel very passionate about road safety and am deeply concerned about the current carnage. However, I always operate within the law and I apologise for my comments. I am glad to now confirm that we would, indeed, be acting fully within the law.

He did not specify which law.

Carlisle said 59 people had been killed on Western Cape roads in the first nine days of December 2012, more than the same period in the past three years and spoiling his record for declining road deaths.

Tell us what YOU think about this latest road-safety move in the Readers' Comments section below.

The only "road crime" we could find in the 'AA Guide to Motor Law' possible for police to remove a driver from the road (apart from being arrested for, for instance, driving with excessive blood alcohol) is "negligent driving" - defined, simply, as a driving in a manner likely to cause harm, which driving when very tired could indeed be. We invite the usually affable Mr Carlisle to quote the relevant traffic law that empowers a driver to be detained for four hours on the whim of a traffic cop.


  • nrgx.nrg - 2012-12-11 09:48

    RIDICULOUS! Im usually tired after a hard days work, does this mean I now risk having my my keys taken from me on a daily basis just because I work hard?

  • richard.laros.77 - 2012-12-11 09:48

    What an arrogant moron!

  • solly.knoetze - 2012-12-11 10:28

    I agree , what an arrogant m@#$%. Let me give you some advice Mr Carlisle. Talk is cheap. Get your officers on the road fully equiped with camera and video footage. Two officers per patrol car. Traffic courts to be manned 24/7 for the festive season within a radius of 100km. SA Police to join forces on the roads. Forget about road blocks this a number game to advise you how many cars have been stopped/ searhed. All these officers used for road blocks can be used to patrol the road. 50% marked and 50% ummarked patrol cars 24/7.If you start in Cape Town you will have 50% arrested before they leave town. I travel a lot and know what is going on our roads. I can make 15 arrest in a spat of 100km. When last have you travelled by car. Do you self a favour and travel with me for 2 days in the Western Cape. You will be surprised. You don't catch these idiots at a road block. Check your officers leave roster from 8 Dec to 16 Jan 2013 and we will talk again.

  • denzil.c.lewis - 2012-12-11 11:29

    So students and/or people who are employed in any way, can never to or go home from work? "subject to the opinion" of a traffic cop? really? half of them are already on some sort of power trip, do we really need to give them more incentive to waste time and our money by giving them the power to tell licensed,legal motorists that they need a pre-school style nap-time instead of cracking down on illegal motorists and un-roadworthy vehicles? I dont know about you, but unless i get a biscuit and a juice-box afterwards they can go sit on a traffic cone. There was a bloke a few years back who also punished people for being tired,his last name was Stalin Mr.Carlisle,think about that.

  • gert.vdmerwe.1 - 2012-12-11 12:01

    Carlisle a$$hole if your clowns stop me and my family for four hours I'm sure to give you a call every morning at 4am for the duration of 2013 to make sure you are well rested......you feel passionate about road safety and the carnage on the Western Cape roads? Start sorting out the damn minibus taxi menace......If I had been a traffic cop (God forbid) then I'll issue a million Rands worth of fines every month on taxi drivers alone.....forget your silly impractical ideas and rather issue volunteers with cameras mounted to their vehicles so that they can take pictures of traffic offenders skipping red lights, overtaking on solid lines, parking in illegal areas etc etc. You can then upload these pics and issue fines from the comfort of your office.

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-12-11 12:17

    We TIRED of Mr Carlisle.

  • jarques.cloete - 2012-12-11 12:20

    This dude has a problem... I know we need to find solutions but this guys has repeatedly grasped at straws to try and fight bigger problems. Somebody should start micro-managing this dude as he seems to be out of control.

  • peter.gugelmin - 2012-12-11 13:42

    Please Ms Zille, do something about this moron, he is an embarrassment to your party and the Western Cape. All he does, is talk before thinking. Take his comments after the railway crossing tragedy. All those promises he made then. A year later he was interviewed on etv, as nothing, absolutely nothing had been done. His answer: "I cannot do everything myself" The recent announcement of the Average speed over distance trapping. The Western Cape has the Death Stretch on the N1 between Laingsburg and Beaufort West. Where does he implement this trapping? On the R61 between Beaufort West and Aberdeen. Do I need to mention the Toll plaza saga at Chapmanspeak?

  • flysouth - 2012-12-11 14:22

    Carlisle - you need to retire as you have clearly completely lost the plot regarding the 'rule of law'! You are a dictator (and yourself a law-breaker) in the making, of the kind which we suffer under quite enough from the ranks of the ANC. I implore the leader of the DA party of which you are a member, as am I, and who appointed you, to immediately demand your resignation. As a member of this party I will be writing to Helen Zille with my opinions on your autocratic and unacceptable attitude and action and will be requesting action from her. I do not accept 'leaders' like you in MY party!

  • Blixum - 2012-12-12 08:42

    Past his Best Before Date.

      wonky.donky.589 - 2012-12-14 10:30

      at least he is doing something productive dckhead!!!!

  • wonky.donky.589 - 2012-12-14 10:29

    This whole thing is purly for the holiday period and these "Roadblocks" are mainly pulling people off who are traveling LONG DISTANCE and not the guy who is going to work. Even you retards would tell the difference between a holiday traveler and someone who is going to work. I think that he has the right idea, nothing is more important that saving the lives of people who arnt nessesarily wrecless drivers, but rather those who are just trying to wrap up their travels. Long distance drivers should have backup in the car. You morons have blown this out of proportion

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