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Cape black-flags F1 Grand Prix

2013-03-08 09:40

CAPE TOWN - In March 2013 we reported that Formula 1 chief executive Bernie Ecclestone hinted at a Cape Town Grand Prix.

He said he would like Africa to host a race in the future - as he said a couple of years ago when there was much controversy about using the then new Green Point Stadium as the pits.

11 PROPOSALS FOR F1 RACE

Ecclestone said: "I want to be in Cape Town. I've been offered Durban but I think we would be better off in Cape Town."

His hopes for a Cape race may be dashed as the city claims that the cost would be prohibitive.

The City of Cape Town has ruled out the idea of a Formula 1 race despite receiving 11 proposals for F1 racing. Most of the proposals named Sea Point and the stadium as a suggested track but had been turned down by councillors.

HUGE COST TO THE CITY

Tourism, events and marketing director, Anton Groenewald, said: "We are not in favour of it because of the huge cost implications to the city." reports the Cape Times.

Councillor Felicity Purchase said: "Right up front we need to say the stadium is not available for racing. We cannot subject residents in the area to the noise of racing."

The city was reportedly considering two of the 11 proposals. The proposed City Challenge Cape Town would be a street race showcasing new technology using gas or electric power and be use a circuit outside of a residential area.

The second was the G1 Racing Green which would be a street race with electric cars.

Other venues proposed were the Athlone Stadium or the V&A Waterfront.

Would you like to see Cape Town host an F1 race? If so, where do you see a potential race circuit within the city? Email us and we'll publish your thoughts or use the Readers' Comments section below...

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Comments
  • Gary De Sousa - 2013-03-08 09:51

    Firstly let me say if the cost to the city is too high then congrats to the local gov not spending money on it. Events like this must be sponsered to cover the costs BUT noise cannot be an issue, its for a couple of days and the benifits to any city are well known. Imagine a race at the V and A ,visually it would be better than monte casino.

      Joe Muhr - 2013-03-08 11:20

      You mean Monte Carlo?

      Gary5 - 2013-03-08 14:02

      Eeekkk Joe you right of coursr, it must be all this jhb smog blocking the cells.

  • Martin Ferguson - 2013-03-08 09:52

    That is just wrong.We sit with a stadium as a white Elephant.Sad very sad.

  • Hennie Coetzee - 2013-03-08 09:54

    I'd be VERY happy to sit on my balcony and watch the race below. Don't care about noise!

      Heinrich Rall - 2013-03-08 10:10

      And your property value would soar as a result. Prime real estate. People would move to the city for the privilage of a F1 race.

  • francoisjacques.malan - 2013-03-08 09:58

    Don't be stupid CT!!! Bring F1 to Africa! We want it here!

  • Fredster69 - 2013-03-08 10:00

    We have Kyalami for this reason. It will cost far less as well

      Ricky Correia - 2013-03-08 10:15

      @ Fredster, not so. Kyalamy would have to undergo huge remodelling and construction to adhere to current FIA regulations. I know that about 7 years ago this cost would have been around R200m. Obviously much higher now. Bottom lin, it would not be feasible, hence the proposals having been put forward for alternate venues.

      Willem Rademeyer - 2013-03-08 10:20

      We have to accept that Formula 1 is show business, more than what it is sport. Because it is show business, the setting and glamour around the event is very important. That is why Monte Carlo is the jewel in the Formula 1 crown, in spite of the track being average at best. It might even replace Monte Carlo, or be spoken of in the same breath. The setting has to be beautiful. This is why Bernie wants it in Cape Town. I mean, just look at the picture used in this article. For this reason, it HAS to be Cape Town.

      Joe Muhr - 2013-03-08 11:24

      Yes, I agree Willem. And for that reason I say the city council must just be clever and negotiate a lucrative deal with ol' Bernie on their terms, not his ...take it or leave it.

  • John Turner - 2013-03-08 10:02

    If you think that the amount of money that Cape Town will spend on a GP will made back 10fold, ask the people of Melbourne as the Victoria state government is trying to get out of its F1 contract because of the cost to ratepayers.

      Ricky Correia - 2013-03-08 10:19

      Quite correct John. Events of this nature do not produce the returns most people think. It is in essence a marketing cost not an investment and many countries are beginning to think twice about hosting the event. It is a pity, but it all comes down to money at the end of it all.

      Dan Gleebits - 2013-03-08 11:11

      Spot on Ricky & John : Try to do a deal where the host city gets an equitable share of the TV rights & advertising revenue, and F1 coughs up for 50% of the local infrastructure/organising costs : Watch Bernie run!

  • Cecil James Currie - 2013-03-08 10:02

    We already have street racing. Go down to any Taxi rank

  • Theo Sauls - 2013-03-08 10:04

    Please get with the times, think of how much tourists this would bring into our City and the coverage. Wake up, its critical.

      Du Toit Coetzee - 2013-03-08 12:44

      You think like a person with a credir card. Spend now, pay later. We have too many people that must be helped 1st. We will not score from the tv rights and gate enteries, but we will fitt the bill to prepair all. The people, Europa, etc, are too far to bring in enough visitors to boost the local economy, to cover the cost. You saw it in a sport that is the most popular in Africa. Soccor. Now you want it to happen again. Neither will Cape Town be better know than as it now. A couple of petrolheads in a pub that cant afford to travel? I love the sport, but one should be realistic. Eish!!! Credit card people.

  • marius.coetzee - 2013-03-08 10:07

    Funny how Monaco manages it. Wake up Cape Town. You need this. We need this.

      Dan Gleebits - 2013-03-08 10:48

      Monaco doesn't have the priorities of getting services to the absolute poor. Ask the people of Port Elizabeth about the R2 Billion stadium sitting there while they still cr*p into buckets. Bernie & Co. will score while the locals cough up.

      Du Toit Coetzee - 2013-03-08 12:46

      Look at the nearby and massive European population who love the sport and can afford to attend. Dan. Well said.

  • Daniella Oosthuizen - 2013-03-08 10:17

    seriously - do they think the people of Monaco complain about the noise of the F1? If anything the people in the residential areas in Seapoint and Greenpoint will have prime positioning! Narrow minded is all I can say.....would be an enourmous revenue generator!

      Du Toit Coetzee - 2013-03-08 12:48

      Please, do not get exited on that part. That is nothing and short lived. Do the sum.

  • Willem Rademeyer - 2013-03-08 10:21

    We have to accept that Formula 1 is show business, more than what it is sport. Because it is show business, the setting and glamour around the event is very important. That is why Monte Carlo is the jewel in the Formula 1 crown, in spite of the track being average at best. It might even replace Monte Carlo, or be spoken of in the same breath. The setting has to be beautiful. This is why Bernie wants it in Cape Town. I mean, just look at the picture used in this article. For this reason, it HAS to be Cape Town.

  • Adrian Hill - 2013-03-08 10:24

    Naai ou broer, dis mos cheap. Ons dice op in af in Voortrekker road elke Friday...

  • John Black - 2013-03-08 10:31

    Another DA screw up F1 is massive will have a massive impact on the Cape.....

      Du Toit Coetzee - 2013-03-08 12:49

      Yes, less money!!!(impact)

  • Adronel De Villiers - 2013-03-08 10:39

    This would be absolutely the best event Cape Town could ever host and if other countries can do it, so can we...

  • Daniel Mah - 2013-03-08 10:44

    Madam doesn't wanna be disturbed

  • Igshaan Amlay - 2013-03-08 10:47

    Have the City gone through a consultative process firstly with the residents of the area and Secondly the general public of the broader Cape Town? If so, provide the public with evidence.

  • Gugu Lethu - 2013-03-08 10:56

    and u say anc govt is full of idiots, DA is full of arrogant pricks. bring F1 and improve cape town's international tourism standing

      Du Toit Coetzee - 2013-03-08 12:50

      Yes, with back streets with no fasilities. As long as we shine on top. 2D vision.

  • Gugu Lethu - 2013-03-08 10:57

    and u say anc govt is full of idiots, DA is full of arrogant pricks. bring F1 and improve cape town's international tourism standing

      Dan Gleebits - 2013-03-08 11:20

      ...and Gugu, who will be the first to bleet when the allocation to the F1 Circus means that there's no cash to fix the potholes, deliver the services, keep the lights on? Of course any extra cash to fund these things will come from the magic money tree so we taxpayers won't have to moan because rates and taxes won't go up to fill the gap...

      Craig Shaun Henry - 2013-03-08 14:53

      Cape Towns tourism does not need any help whatsoever, tourism is booming here, in fact a grand prix would detract from Cape Town's natural appeal. What you don't seem to realise is that the DA represents us, the tax payer,who will be paying for this event at the end of the day...Tho obvioulsy somoene who lives in gugulethu doesn't pay any taxes,so u not bothered about the cost since someone else will be paying for it. What's the benefit for u? it's not like you'll be bale to afford the tickets anyway.

  • Spikes Joubert - 2013-03-08 11:11

    Short sighted to say the least

  • Ruan Olivier - 2013-03-08 11:20

    AFRICAN MENTALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just think of the publicity!!!!!!!! It's not a bloody race where cars just hoon around....... FORMULA 1 is a motorsport like no other. If this was another soccer world cup or any soccer crap at all, then it wil be oky... am i right??? Oh and let's not even get started with the so called "noise" the F1 cars would make, what about monaco mmmm??? The sound of those cars are beautiful and amazing, If these retards are to stupid to not think logical and to not accomodate an event as large as this, then it's they're own downfall. Enough said!!!

      Ronald - 2013-03-08 13:39

      Those retards, as you put it, thought with their logic and not emotions as you do. Research the economic impact, then see who is the retard. Thus far the only person benefiting is Bernie Eccleston at the cost of rate payers in most of the cities with street tracks, Monaco being the exception. 12 US cities have hosted the F1 once, then pulled out because of the losses incurred. Australia are searching for a way out of their 5 year contract for the same reasons, the China government has agreed to finance the loss of the Chines GP in order to "boost the public image of China", and this in their own words, not mine. The only way London can have a GP if if Bernie waves his 30 million pound fee as promised, and will get nothing of the 100 million in TV rights, which London does not want to agree to.

  • Gregory de Mink - 2013-03-08 12:01

    Kudos to our local government for resisting all the flash and promises. Bernie Ecclestone didn't become a billionaire (in POUNDS STERLING!!!) by making money for anybody but himself. But instead of rubbishing the idea let's push for a better deal? There is money to be made and you can NEVER get enough positive press. On a more personal note I would love a race in CT and I'm not even a fan of F1. Just look at that proposed track. Imagine the helicopter shots sweeping over the sea onto the stadium and the mountain. Beautiful!

      Du Toit Coetzee - 2013-03-08 12:56

      Spot on. He gets presure from other places because they want a bigger deal. They know that venue countries do not make the money, but him/F1. Now he wants to come to Africa, thinking we are toooo stupid to do the sum. I also agree with last paragraph, but then the balance sheet must 1st balance.

  • dany.duprez.338 - 2013-03-08 12:02

    the gov can spend R250mil on Zuma's hut,which has no benefit to anyone,but the F1,that could bring untold profits in tourism is declined!!nice!

      Ronald - 2013-03-08 13:30

      Untold profits is exactly the right word, as no street track except Monaco makes money as they do not pay R350 Million to host the race(they do not pay a cent), get all advertising revenue that normally goes to Bernie, and keep the money at the turnstiles. That equates to nearly R1 Billion that would have gone to FOA, the holder of the economic rights to F1.

  • Francois Swart - 2013-03-08 12:04

    over Western Cape's transport nazi a.k.a. Robin Carlise's dead body

  • Roscoe Jerome Louw - 2013-03-08 12:13

    We cant host the CAF cup, how we want to host a F1 Race...wait CAF is a black and F1 is white..so can host it

  • Frank Graham - 2013-03-08 12:34

    The trash who assume they have the right to pollute an area with noise, have got a bloody nerve. Have your trashy sports event by all means, but take it out into the Karoo where civilised people do not have to have their ears blasted; not even for one day. I am fervently thankful that the event will not come to Durban where I live. Thank God we are already free of outdoor rock concerts with THEIR gratuitous goddamned noise.

      Bonham Butt - 2013-03-08 15:30

      Frank, it's you who should be in the Karoo, you old fool.

  • Waheed Ajouhaar - 2013-03-08 12:54

    Typical DA thinking here ... only serving their own agenda, not that of the people or the greater Cape Town ... they provide no sensible facts, or proof of proper consultation, no defend-able answer as to why we should not host a F1 GP at the stadium ... very frustrating.

      Ronald - 2013-03-08 13:26

      See my post above

      Craig Shaun Henry - 2013-03-08 14:30

      Dude if u remember anything about the world cup and how ferverently the green point ratepayers association fought against the new stadium, you would realise theres no way they would back a bid for F1 to come into their back yard. I am an enthusiastic F1 fan, but leave these ppl in peace. Imagine the traffic nightmare around this event in cape town,not only is our public transport a shambles it is ridiculously expensive compared to the rest of the world.It can only be hosted away from the city centre unfortunately, Cape Town cbd is a pipedream.What locals don't realise is that any Grand Prix held here would be way above the means of the normal local to afford anyway.

  • blane.blandon - 2013-03-08 13:03

    The soccer world cup did nothing for RSA , why should a F1 Race ?

  • Brian O Cinneide - 2013-03-08 15:49

    I am sure the idiots on Durban Corporation would jump at the chance.

  • Vincent Sutherland-Dadds - 2013-03-08 16:17

    Here is a study by Earnst & Young as to how Australia benefitted by having an F! Grand Prix. http://www.tourism.vic.gov.au/images/stories/Documents/FactsandFigures/tourism_australian_grand_prix_report_v8_web.pdf

  • Johan Smal - 2013-03-08 16:27

    Please! Look at the track in yellow. Where exactly is the overtaking going to happen?! I'd rather have no race in CT than a boring procession.

  • Stephan Steyn - 2013-03-08 18:27

    "We cannot subject residents in the area to the noise of racing." seriously its F1... who's going to complain, I'd have the biggest smiles on my face hearing those engines go racing by..

  • zip.reeper - 2013-03-08 20:55

    south africa had a regular slot on the grand prix calender but the ANC threw it away in fafour of Sexwale's "grand prix of nations" rubbish. what happened to that anyway? now sexwale is another washout minister.

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