im a big fan of Audi and Bmw,both performances is good,both have power,wont say i choose audi over bmw but,i LOVE the AUDI the looks is so sexy,with the new spec's and i believe that AUDI is at the moment one of the bestest cars u could drive,im a big AUDI fan,loves all,RS4,RS6 especially quattro,mmmmmm taste good |
Hats off to engineers,what a noble profession. In the confined measurements of a motorcar there is little more that can be bettered and still allow humans to occupy comfortably to enjoy the ride. Once inside and the door shut, even your shoe size increases by two numbers! |
The real world don't have sunny weather all the time and don't have smooth surfaces everywhere. Lots of torque and traction at all revs and all weather conditions is what I want, because that's more usable in the real world.
BMWs are generally overrated... although I could be persuaded by a boosted 135i (if it had x-drive 4wd system) or the new 4.4 V8 turbo in new X5M, X6M.
I live in a very mountainous SE-Asian country with very slippery road surfaces and hairpin bends. A RWD car with too little low RPM grunt won't go anywhere quickly here. Therefore I will take the Audi RS6 over an M5, because the RS6 will be quick almost everwhere, the BMW will be quick almost nowhere!!! |
I reaaly do agree, all the big car brands are really nice! No one is gonna demolish another brand it just depends on taste when it comes to the M5, RS6, etc. 20 KW isn't gonna make you any happier than a car that is really the best looking car in your opinion! please grow up everyone |
i'll go with major, down there below, grow up guys. Audi, Bmw, Merc, all have 4 wheels, a steering and a gear stick... you either like the one or you don't... shut the hell up about this eating that, freaks |
Correction. I see the M6 actually develops 373kw. |
To Anon @26/5@4.54. Well that's cool dude. Park your 380kw motor in the RS6 and pitch it against the M5/6. The Audi's 4x4 drive will rob it of the extra 380 -352 = 28kw in NO TIME and the Audi will get its ass kicked har har har............. |
To anon user 4:54pm. The V10 thats in the R8 V10 is actually the gallardo's new 5.2L V10, which is technically still an audi engine because audi owns lambo. They tried putting the 5L twin turbo V10 from the rs6 in the R8 V10 but because it is a mid-engined car, it didnt have sufficient cooling and had a problem with catching fire and overheating quite a bit. But you're right about audi is best!! |
mfriend tried to catch me in a porsche 997 turbo on the reef he is still trying the rs6 fu..... it up so all you non believers have any of you seen a rs6 in your rearview mirrors lately i think not all you can do is admire its cool phat ass |
Anon @ 6:51, you are correct, the dual climate control, in fact most of the switches dials are from an A8, go have a look, the casting on the V10 block has four rings on it, Audi rings, every review of the Gallardo has mentioned the build quality, switchgear quality and feel, the first lambos that were a real pleasure to own were built by Audi, the RS4 has Gallardo front discs and calipers, these massive drilled and cross ventilated discs are designed for lambo, yet are found in the RS4, and a variation of the brute V10 in the S6 and S8 has been tuned to a "civilised 336Kw" and the turbo 426Kw version in the new RS6, all these figures are conservative, look for MTM RS6 on the net, they offer a 701Hp RS6, thats 522kw and sub 3.9 sec 0-100, top speed 200Mph or 322 kmh, yet it is totally civilised. RS4 Pilot |
The fact is Francious that the RS4 eats the M3 any day.
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to a previous user claiming the RS6 engine was stolen from the Lambo...catch a wake up dude, Audi owns Lambo, designed the Gallardo from top to bottom including that great sounding V10. You have obviously never been in a Gallardo, well check it out...even every button on the dash is Audi! The 1st Lambo that doesn't fall apart or rattle like an old Opel Kadett was made by Audi. Check your facts before you comment! |
To Poacher: Take the turbos off, you say? It's been done already. 5l V10 R8 with 380+ kw and 8,800 rpm. NA or turbo, Audi is best! |
Just to clear up a myth among the uneducated wanna-be car enthusiasts, the 5L V10 Twin-Turbo in the RS6 is Audi's own built engine. It is NOT borrowed from lamborghini (which Audi owns by the way). And to those who think Audi is incapable of building such an engine just look at where their engine technology has gotten them in Le Mans and that was from a diesel!!! And those of you who talk about brabus built Mercs that would beat the RS6 should have thought first before you opened your big mouths. Brabus is a tuning company which takes Mercs and tunes them to become as fast as humanly possible with no consideration towards the cost. They are an external company. Audi has developed this engine themselves and it is faster than any stock car of the same category, it is faster, even, than a few super cars. Another point is that this car cost R1.1 mill. thats R300 000 cheaper than an R8!!! Plus it's faster than the R8 AND it has the luxury and functionality of a saloon. To anonymous(26/05 - 12:24): "this has got to be the best engine ever made." That is a quote from Jeremy Clarkson who was talking about Audi's 4.2L V8. Enough said. To Francois: Please man. You sound like you from Cape Town and drive "a Corsa wif free flow exhaust and cone filter". I would love to see a SLK32 AMG that can get to 100km/h in 4.5sec. What are you smoking??? That's a 3.2L V6. Please explain how you can get it to do 4.5sec without taking it to some backyard tuner? |
@ Anon 8.31...You an idiot...!!!!I you believe in what you posted, than I guess you can believe anything...!!!! |
These things have the inclination of leaving you stuck in very awkward places. Not very reliable.....and take the turbos off before you start comparing it with the M5/6 :( |
R1.1million for an Audi is ludicrous especially since the engine is stolen from the Gallardo! Where in this world can VW/Audi ever build an engine like that! When they compete in formula one or build engines themselves that are as legendary as those in the Pigani, Mclaren F1 and Brabus then they can earn some credibility! Heck any Brabus or Renntech Mercedes would ingest this Audi and leave biodegradable chips of it on teh tarmac. Even Koeniggsegg rebuilt the Audi 4.2Lt V8 they used in the first prototypes because it was weak! Nice try Ingolstad, but no cigar! |
The debate surrounding the RS4/M3 is of little value here as these cars are appreciably lighter than the M5/RS6 and aimed at a driver who is more at ease with their frantic nature. I must say I am impressed with the RS6, though it was going to be just a warmed over S6 and it seems to actually cope very well mass notwithstanding. Interesting to see how technologically advanced the M5 has become too, and the overkill its SMG gearbox (though brilliant at 11/10ths) is, wonder what the next one will have. If you are going to be doing much town driving (and you will as a four door supesaloon is hardly a weekend toy only) the RS6's effortless low range urge and autobox make more sense. Splendid cars both.. |
@Anon. 9:24am, the first Car mag. issue I'm talking about is the comparison of RS4 and E92 M3 Coupe where almost all editors rated RS4 better than E92 M3. The second issue I'm talking about was the comparison of RS4 and E92 M3 sedan (4 door) where they rated M3 better than RS4. So I dont know where you got this two year interval you talking about bcos the new M3 arrived in SA late 2007 and the tests were done in 2008. check your facts b4 writing. And concerning Top gear I dont even want to waste my time checking wikipedia, I saw it myself on TV, download Season 10 Episode 9 of Top Gear and see yourself M3 beating RS4 and C63 around the track and drag racing. And coming to this car on discussion, yes M3 was quicker than RS4 around Kyalami. RS6 is just too heavy. |
RS4 Pilot,, you must be living in your own world where this is better than an M5 or the RS4 being better than the M3. You sound like those Porsche idiots that dnt want to admit that the GTR is a better car. |
Gents,
Will all due respect, different strokes for different folks. I respect all road users regardless of what they drive. Respect can only be earned...never bought. Having been fortunate enough to have acquired the RS6 I am still in awe of its power, a family car, a supercar...all under one hood. Buy what you can afford and just njoy it :) |
@Anonymous User 5/25/2009 3:58 PM,
are you a little slow my friend? the "next issue" as you put it was 2 years later, I am sure bmw prefers to be compared to a 2 year old than anything current, and your facts are totally incorrect, top gear test times are availble on wikipedia, pls check that before you make a bigger fool of yourself. Auto motor und sport also preferred the RS4, so all your phantom facts are debunked like the fairy tales they are, and daffy, stop being a stubborn brat and accept the fact, RS4 still destroys new m3, RS6 still detroys m5, and will surely do the same to the new one, but wait for it, the new B8 RS4 is rumored to have the same supercharged 3.0 v6 as the current B8 S4, but tuned to RS4 guise, now imagine how the bmw boys will protest when that is released, all the excuses etc will not save you, you will lose by a significant margin yet again, no matter what bmw you drive. |
THE BEST CAR EVER |
Just on the side: why would people pay for a TV player in any car? To watch local content TV when parked at the shopping mall? I would go for just a DVD player if I have to. |
@Anonymous User 5/25/2009 3:28 PM, you are clearly a bmw boy, facts are facts, you suffer severe delusions if you think they are not taken seriously, I dont know anyone that drives around a racetrack on their way to work, or every weekend just for fun, seems a little silly to buy a car that is so compromised, when everyone lives in the real world, bmw drivers seem to spend most of their time in their own little fantasy world, safe from the big predator Audi's that will spank you like their b*tch, every time it rains I laugh my a.s.s off when I see all the 3 series' being towed, they wish they spent a bit more and got quattro, next time don't challenge a RS4 or RS6 in your bmw, you will be spanked my friend, now that advice should be taken seriously, you will save yourself loads of humiliation, adios puto
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Hey JACKEY!!!!! Have you seen the results of the 24 hours at Nurburgring over the weekend? Oops, Audi R8 LMS GT3 second overall and first in class at its first attempt. Two of them in the top five and all four finished the race. Plenty M3’s and M3 GT3’s, even the special BMW 6 series that was supposed to blow the R8’s into the weeds, didn’t place in the top fifteen. There was only one BMW in the top 15 and that was a modified Z4M Coupe(10th). Even a new Scirocco(15th) beat all the M3’s entered. So much for the prowess of your glory brand, JACKEY. Now don’t cry, Jackey. Maybe everyone looks at you in your BMW and feels sorry for you, or maybe they see you as a loser now, who knows?. BMW just can’t win anything anymore, except maybe engine of the year awards. Funny how those engines don’t produce any race winning results for BMW any longer, in any form of motor racing. |
Interesting that RS4 owners are going on about 0-100km/h times when i specifically said, "The current M3 is quicker around Kyalami than the RS6". I understand how you idiots are feeling threatened that your big bruiser gets humbled by an M3 around the track. BMW is still the benchmark and this will still be true when you wake up tomorrow, get that into your heads. |
@RS4 pilot, that same confused Car Mag first said RS4 is best, the next issue, M3 is best...and apparently the boss of Car Mag drives an RS4 so the editors will be bias to it to save their jobs. In fact Car mag is the only magazine I know that "once" declared RS4 better than M3. On Top gear an M3 was 5sec faster than both C63 and RS4 around the track, and on drag racing RS4 was last. and for your info M3 engine is currently the best 4L engine in the world. |
Anonymous User 5/25/2009 1:09 PM Let me make sure I understand. The RS 4 which you “pilot” accelerates faster, but is still slower than the M3 around the track? It probably is the better all round car, M3 is more of a driver’s car. As for the RS4 “Pilot” part, shame…Don’t take yourself too seriously, the readers on this forum certainly don’t. Have a good day sport. |
"@daffy.... The new M3 may be quicker over a single lap but let them run long enough to generate some real heat in the tires and its a whole new ballgame..."And how many laps do you think will the RS 6 last? It needs to be pampered to get a decent launch. With a weight of over 2 tonnes it should be interesting to see how long the front brakes last before they fade. |
@ Daffy
Car Magazine comparative test RS4 vs m3
0-100 RS4 4.99sec , m3 5.56sec
Top speed RS4 265km/h , m3 258km/h
six drivers voted the 2 year older RS4 as the better overall car, and the RS4 was voted the worlds best super saloon, have a good day Daffy, I am sure I just spoilt it.
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@Daffy, you fool, I never said the new m3 was here 3 years ago, I said a 3 year old RS4 still nails new m3, I know, I have one, I love the expression on their faces as they realise they are getting a hiding in front of their girlfriends/wifes, go order back copies from car magazine, cost R20, my facts are straight, your just another bmw whino, eat humble pie dude.
RS4 Pilot |
This is one mean machine, just the looks are fading a bit, facelift never did much justice (except for the rear lights). And please don't say no BMW can compare to this, there are plenty that can, in many ways. BMW are the kings in engines so please shhhhh... |
How boring? I test drived it. Merc, Beemer or Audi? I will always go for Beemer for its POWER and ladies out there you know what I mean |
@daffy.... The new M3 may be quicker over a single lap but let them run long enough to generate some real heat in the tires and its a whole new ballgame... |
@Anonymous at 2:12pm, the current M3 was not here in June 2006, get your facts in order. Interestingly, i just found out that the current M3 is faster around Kyalami than this car... thats got to be very embarrasing no matter how you look at it. |
ANON- 5/24/2009 2:12 PM well said mate, so true, so true! Anyway with these cars, 0-100 times don't make up how mean these things are. Check the overtaking times (In-gear Accleration) of the RS6, just about nothing comes anywhere close. The M5 is hammered by 2 secs. |
Please,when I'm paying that sort of money for a car,the last thing I want to hear is the exhaust note,I want uber stealth not noise. |
As I always state.... "its not about driving 200 km per hour... but rather how you get there" and this lady certainly gets there in style.
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a 3 year old RS4 will outaccelerate the new M3, car magazine june 2006, 4.64 sec, new m3 5.1 sec, wait till the new S4 arrives, that will be 5.1 sec too, m3 drivers are in for a another hiding, and now with new RS6, I am sure that there will be many many more embarrissing moments for bmw owners, ha ha, that is why they hate Audi so much, yet another legend from Audi. |
from anon1:22@andrew,apologies!i meant CHRIS!Booo ,KEEP you`re jocks on ,andrew,you had them on already so you can keep them there... |
get off jackey,you`re not wanted!just when i think i`ll test drive a bm ,i read one of your comments and i`m put off again.Heaven forbid i`m driving down the road and someone wonders if i`m that jackey chop! |
Why argue over a CAR!? Its personal preference! Are you all that insecure about your choices in life that you feel this strong a need to impose them on everyone else? It irritates me that I scroll down the page to read constructive thoughts regarding this new machine and I end up spending 90% of my time wading through personal vendettas! ... not to mention those that are simply trying to flaunt their cars/wealth in these threads. Do you really think anyone cares what car you drive or what you can or cant afford? Do you realize how poorly that comes across? If you've made so much money in your life why are you still trying so hard to impress people? If you had any class you'd be downplaying your afforded luxuries, especially given in the financial crisis the world currently find itself in. No?
I wont be wasting my time trying to find something constructive in this comments anymore - its less of an discussion board than it is a blatant reflection of how shallow modern society has become |
If I win the lotto , I'LL buy one. For sure |
Awesome bit of machinery. I would buy one if I could afford it.
All modern "Q cars" from any manufacturer these days are pretty much equal when it comes to performance and driving dynamics.
The age old "Audi vs BMW vs Merc vs whoever else" arguments are getting stale already. It is PERSONAL PREFERENCE on what car you drive. |
Hey Guys...chill. You guys sound so aggressive comparing Bmw, Audi and Merc..almost like you will lose something very dear and personal to yourself if your chaice of vehicle had to be upstaged, either in writing or on tar. The most amazing thing is that our roads are graced with the most amazing vehicles ever created.
Just one pity that we cannot see more true exotics like Bugatti et al.
Please keep up the ranting and raving...it is very entertaining to see how the vehicle comparisons chase up the levels of testosterone and aggression!
Well done guys! |
Personally I think super Saloons are pointless and over powered but nonetheless there is a market so I will leave it at that. But if I had to choose an Executive Super Saloon I would go Jaguar XFR. Its cheaper than the tuetonic 3 but has similar performance stats and its more exclusive. But thats just my choice. Either way if you are into excecutive super saloons then I find all tuetonic super saloons as awsome. But for over 1m..I would take by a 330D and a 370Z. |
I own a 2004 RS6. Drove the new one two weeks ago. Apart from the modern feel and gadgetry of the 2009 version, there was not too much difference in the performance. I have always driven fast Audi's and the new one is outstanding. Like the older version the new one is an icon. |
HAHAHa. Anon 11:55 . To keep it in perspective . A superfast car like this audi can maybe go from 0-100 in 4.5 seconds.( Keeping in mind you lose 5 % power in JHB because of altitude. A decent superbike can go from 0-100 in 2.5-2.9 Seconds if you know what you are doing. So you do the math . 1 second in a drag race is a huge. I own a 1000cc v-twin and believe me not even top cars like Porsche or ferrari have a change . Maybe after 260 or so but from 0-200 ....Dream On. |
well ALFAholic, if you're quoting clarkson then make sure you do it right... you would have seen lately that he's changed his opinion and believes that all audi drivers have taken over the c**k role. that being said, even with 600kw, this car doesnt feel as exciting as a Noble M400 with 330kw,and as for the author saying its good around town and traffic, why not drive a bog standard A6 then if you're lookin for smooth shifts. |
ALFAholic - you idiot...the last two seasons of Top Gear, Jeremy has been saying how all the "c*cks" that used to drive BMW's now drive Audi's...thanks for bringing the point up. 'Nuff said. |
Thgis is one heck of a monster...0-100 in 4.5 secs 4 a saloon car is more than flying...beemers sure r gonna eat its dust...dig da 426kw |
It's not a BMW. SO THERE'S NO ARGUMENT |
We BMW drivers might be whatever your Clarkson say we are but we know that we are being admired by Audi groupies..Nuff said !!! BMW is the benchmark & no amount of 2nd grade bush engineering can topple precision engineering.. |
Re: RS6 vs. 1000cc. My 10 year old Honda Vtwin Firestorm dropped one earlier on this morning, by exactly a fraction. |
Geez ..Andy...cool it mate !!!No need to get personal..It's only a blog but thanks for dedicating your your 2c worth of nothing to me..I read it, understood it & I am now a changed man.Thanks ... |
Any 2009 1000cc superbike will drop this Audi for dead and not by "two car lengths". To the moron that believes this..ignorance is bliss you idiot!!! |
Well said ANDY, as mr.Clarkson himself says - all BMW driver are C*cks.And he probably earns more than everyone on this forum.Class is something that get acquired not bought you can drive the new Phantom and still be a Plonker. |
This Merc, bmw and Audi bashing is really becoming boring now. Grow up! |
To AU 11:55 - no ways this car can keep up with a superbike. You must have raced a 600cc |
A fantastic article, very well written. The concept of a Super Stealth Saloon is generally missed by most "Robot Dicers". An enormous amount of satisfaction is achieved when Chuckles and his over-the-top hatchback with its massive add-on spoiler spoils for a drag from the lights and you leave him standing in a cloud of his own burnt out clutch and gearbox.
Here in the UK and Europe, a lot of super saloon owners de-badge their cars (whether they be BMW, Audi, et al) so that, unless you know what to look for, you wouldn't know the difference between it and a bog-standard repmobile. And if you do know what to look for... well, you wouldn't be stupid enough to try and take them on in the first place! |
Jackey, You buy a BMW because you think it gives you some kind of elevated standing in society. You look past all value and logic and choose BMW because you think it means people will respect you more. One can see by your arrogance that you think you are superior to most because you are Jackey and drive a BMW. You get so annoyed on this website because people do not acknowledge your superior status. I have some advice for you; a car will never substitute or allow you to obtain respect or class. Your comments here are actually hypocritical, because a person with class would never make such comments. So to let you know, you are not fooling everyone, and just because Francious see's the audi as a classy looking car does not mean he has no class. Any person, low or high class can distinguish that BMW, AUDI, Mercedes are all classy cars. It takes a very small person not to acknowledge this, because they drive one of them. Maybe try finding the real thing instead of replacing it materialistically, and then you will understand. Good luck! |
ya,i love the rs6 but would go for the s5,beautiful car and enough power for me.I could even get an s3 as a spare toy. |
onismusr,chris, about you`re precious article.Have you compred the 0-200 times (audi 14.1,bmw 16.5) or 80-160 times(audi 7 s ,bmw 11,2 s ) Also read the first page,"the rs6 posseses the overtaking flexibility of nothing we`ve ever tested before,no matter what the under-bonnet conditions are at the time,SO STEER CLEAR."One lap around one track doesn`t mean much,the m5 gets trounced at the green hell by the rs6 AVANT by 4 seconds!look it up.ANDREW ,keep your jocks on ,take a breath ...Jackey,you`re talking about class and you can`t even spell francois when it`s right there for you to even copy,oh ,and i wouldn`t mind that VW Produced veyron hey? |
Love the car! Love it! But if I had the money I'd rather get a S5 and the new Yamaha R1. I'm not too sure what to do with the R350k change though. Maybe get a Tiguan for my wife... |
blah blah .... rumour that car prices in SA to up by 40% in nxt 2 yrs...funny guys these dealers |
I've had the pleasure of sitting in one at one of the car shows......Damn, does this car have presence !! 426kw on tap should see it beat most of its competition. |
And here we go again - The BMW guys just can't acknowledge any effort from any other car than a BMW. I wish they will grow up! As for me, I am a car fan and I will give credit to ANY car that deserves credit. I think the RS6 is a stunner as is the M5 and E63AMG! |
the long and the short of this article is that there are different cars for different drivers and this car is the best in the class for all drivers! |
I saw this car one day and I couldnt differentiate if its an A6/A4 until I saw an RS6 bagde on the back...it looks bland, it doesnt look aggressive (my opinion)...I'll still take an M5 over this car simply bcos of its high revving engine and aggressive look. |
U R right Chris and quoting from the mag
"The first run was mesmerising – 4.3 seconds 0-100, a 12.4 second quarter-mile at 189km/h and wait for it – a 25.1 second standing kilometre at 246km/h!
But then we immediately ran it again through the 0-100 and it returned a 4.6 second 0-100, and again at 4.9 seconds and the fourth time with the fan now running, it was well back north of five seconds. That afternoon in 30-degree temperatures and after a short drive it was back to where we started – mid-five second 0-100s – and only if we line-locked it.
Incidentally, the car would only get into the fours using that method in ideal conditions and into the fives in the heat of the day. If it were a manual we’d be able to get the revs up to get it off the line, so we’ll give it that best run, but remember, like the Lexus hybrid’s hot lap last year, the RS 6 had to be specially treated to achieve its quickest run…
The point however, is that the M5 and the CLS 63 will run in a band of 0.2 second figures whatever the conditions on the day or what was going on under the bonnet and unless you just drove your RS 6 out of your garage in the morning, it’s likely that the oke in the M5 or the AMG 63 is going to bliksem you off the line…" |
What idiot will ever buy this car to compare lap times with his friends. This car is about luxury and autobahn driving. If you want a fast track car buy a second hand GT3 or something like that, definitely not an M5 or a RS6. |
I had a spin in one! Geeeee Wizzzz!!! This thing is incredible fast. We diced a new Lotus Exige and it looked like a 1300 Tazz dicing a superbike! Really quick! By the way a 1000cc superbike could only gain two car lengths from standstill up to 200km/h...... Awesome dude |
AU 11:05, you are right. Audi proved that AWD rules on the track. BMW ran with their tails between their legs after they were repeatedly whipped in the touring cars. |
Jackey mate, did you even read the article, it's a bloody q-car, it's not supposed to look exciting. Good lord, I mean, have you ever seen a W124 E500? Stupendous car which looks like dead ringer for a W124 E200 with colour coded bumpers. Interesting to note the slightly smaller engine, I thought it was the same S6/S8 engine, learnt something new. |
Judging by the videos on Youtube, the M6 can't beat the RS6 anywhere - track, coast, altitude, it doesn't matter. The RS6 is faster. |
"BMW’s M5 is a very naughty, rewarding car, and ultimately a touch sharper than the RS6. "
Nuff said |
Audi's best attempt ever on a M5 after 3 years.....Still looks boring & definately unexiting..@ Francious..If you call owing a rebranded VW class than you defiantly from a lower class... |
BMW vs Audi...Even "The Transporter" knows whats the better car ;) |
Silver Surver is the owner of a chipped 335i in CT. I would think he would understand why boost always beats NA. Saying that the M5 is better than the RS6 cuz its NA is stupid....you follow different paradigms when building a high performance NA car as you would a High performance turbo car...and for thos quoting lap times at kyalami...remember one important fact... when tyres get hot and grip starts to go then AWD is absolute king...thats why 1 lap of kyalami is hardly anything uselful to compare with...
Heat soak is fixable with the addition of an intercooler sprayer and/or water injection...both relatively simple and cheap btw... |
I would like to see if this car will still be running in 20 years time... Any bets? |
A vast improvement over the first generation one. |
"This car as proved in many car mags has EPIC HEAT SOAK FAIL! EPIC! It laps Kyalami in the same time as the N/A M5 that only makes only 310kW's up here on the reef while the RS6 makes 116kW's MORE at 426kW up here on the reef." So Chris what you are saying is that is suffers epic heat soak but still makes a full 426kW at the Reef, clever chappy, BSC Mec engineering degree surely. And if it laps at the same pace as the M5, it's doing its job running with the best in class, so what's the issue? "As stated in the world motoring press, as of about 3 weeks ago only 850 RS6's had been ordered WORLDWIDE! " I have no idea where you get that figure or report from, I've tried searching for it, should be good for residuals though. |
Anon 10:34 "M5 owners are advised to....at ALTITUDE. Forget about the F10 M6, it will slay the RS6. 2000 kg's for the RS6 as opposed to 1710 kg's for the M6 negates any horsepower advantage the RS6 has." Well, the article expressly mentioned Reef users, so the author is factoring in the altitude argument. M6 is lighter, true, but not really part of the supersaloon argument now is it? |
"@Andrew. If you want people carrier buy a Verso. Cayman R650K + Verso R220K and still 300K in the bank." - I hear your argument about the fantasy utility purchase, but so few people actually do such a double purchase even if they have the funds. Same rationale as underpins the station wagon and old solid-axle bakkie for R60 000 for off roading, everyone just buys a high spec SUV instead. |
I think the M5 is still the purer super saloon, especially considering the RS6's engine placement so far forward and all, yet the RS6 appears to quite accomplished, and the M5's SMG is not an awfully pleasing transmission to peddle around in every day, especially when trying to park. |
@Andrew. Sorry my point was, to continue from last post, is that this car is a pointless waste ot money. Makes about as much sense as SUVs. I'd much rather have a dedicated sports car for the fun factor and a nother car to do the grocery shopping. |
M5 owners are advised to....at ALTITUDE. Forget about the F10 M6, it will slay the RS6. 2000 kg's for the RS6 as opposed to 1710 kg's for the M6 negates any horsepower advantage the RS6 has. |
This car as proved in many car mags has EPIC HEAT SOAK FAIL! EPIC! It laps Kyalami in the same time as the N/A M5 that only makes only 310kW's up here on the reef while the RS6 makes 116kW's MORE at 426kW up here on the reef. As stated in the world motoring press, as of about 3 weeks ago only 850 RS6's had been ordered WORLDWIDE! That right there is a MAJOR sales failure! |
@Andrew. If you want people carrier buy a Verso. Cayman R650K + Verso R220K and still 300K in the bank. |
@ Anonymous 10:17. You are right I have never owned a porsche, but I can afford one (well, a Cayman anyway). Come to think of it, I would still rather have a R650K Cayman than an Audi for R1.1m. And, as a percentage, I still don't believe a porsche would devalue as quickly as this particular Audi, BUT point taken. |
Silver Surfer what is the point of bringing the 911 into the comparison? A great car no doubt, but it hardly has the carrying capacity of the RS6, M5 or E 63 AMG, which are the cars under discussion here. And if you think any car above R400 000 is depreciation proof, well... |
@ Silver Surfer, you obviously have never owned a Porsche, if you had, you would suffer an immediate heart attack when you see what Porsche is prepared to give you as at trade in on any Porsche. Believe me when I tell you, Porsche does NOT hold its value. This is a missconception that seems have been built up by people who have never and probably will never own a Porsche. |
@Francois - Change your name, you embarrass me, class comes from inside, being a man has nothing to do with your &*%$, money or cars :-)
I would be happy with RS6, M5 or E63, and if Nissan wasn't such idiots the GT-R for pure bliss
Had a AMG factory modified SLK32, did 4.5s, so RS6 doesnt impress that much! |
Nice car, looks a tab bland.But best pic between german 3! |
blah, blah, blah. And after 6 months it has depreciated by 50%.
For R1.1 million I'd rather buy a 911 thank you. |
As nice as all these new powerful vehicles from BMW/Audi/Merc are these days, what happened to the goold old 500SE, SEC Mercs from the 80's, early 90's? Sure they never from 0-100 in 4.5 sec, nor did they enjoy all the new technology we see these days - but they were good old fashioned 6/8 cylinders with all the creature comforts you could expect.
My oh my, how this world has changed! |
Shame, look at poor threatened desperate Dan below. While he scans the road for bmws , bmws dont scan the road for him... |
The only BM i like is the M Coupe, otherwise they all over-rated. Audi rules, fantastic car!!! |
Y-A-W-N... Our daily VW/Audi press release from VW24.com... soooooo boring...... |
The only problem with this car is that i need to wake up tomorrow and not see it in my garage... I'll give my left B@LL to have this beaut !!!
Nice one !!! |
Fun to drive....definitely, if I had R1m to spend on a car...I dont think so! |
Francois, class is a matter of opinion, not only affluence...but if you are the Transporter this is your new ride for sure. |
@ Meka
"And that Ladies and Gentlemen is the AUDI RS5... The King Lives! AUDI RULES!!"
RS5...?
well done lad, well done. |
Uhm Meka...this is the RS6...but anyway |
Honestly, nice car from a BMW fan, BUT without those 2 turbos, im not so sure it can outrun even a E63. Also disappointed with the red line, its below 7000 rpm for a 426KW car. Im sure the next one will be better, but for now ill stick with the grand daddy, the M5. |
GREAT ARTICLE Lance. At least you praised the AUDI where praise is due and mentioned short comings. I think this car is brilliant. Also please note the BMW M5 now is also over a R1million rand and also has long options list. So in a sense its madness to go buy a new M5 now as you getting a 3 year old car when Audi makes much more sense for 40 thousand rand more only. Unless you wanna wait very till end 2010 for the next M5 but then you gonna starting getting the smaller engines introduced as a result of emissions. So if you a really want want a V10 brute in sheep skin clothing this is your last chance as it might be the last. |
@Meka, it's RS6 you stupid... |
M5 owners...are advised to pick their RS6 victims with extreme caution...preferably when the Audi drivers are on the phone |
there are only two kind of people: Audi owners and those who can't afford class!!! |
This car looks boring - I hope the next one looks better |
WHAT A BEAUTY, NO BMW CAN COMPARE |
And that Ladies and Gentlemen is the AUDI RS5... The King Lives! AUDI RULES!! |