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Hi Boys,
Bmw did use mainly Peugeot tech in their diesel engin. The same Particle Filter designed by Peugeot.
The Tsi Vw engin has in fact been around for more than two years. They are not as stupid as we think. Vw manufactured a couple of Golf 5 1.4 Tsi's more than two years ago. mainly to test the engin in SA conditions. And it has proven well. Those cars still run smoothly.
they did find a problem with heat reflecting from our tar on the 118 kw version. With a couple of tweaks the car is coming in now after a 6 month delay.
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Yes, quite correct, it is a major suprise that the famous Briggs and Stratton lawnmower motor didn't win..when it was released a few decades ago. Maybe they too will benefit from VW and introduce a 1cc supercharged motor that runs almost entirely on air and can be used as a generator when not in use as a lawnmower to make sure all the chicken in the deepfreeze remains frozen. This motor is going to force all manufacturers to experiment with smaller capacity engines (if they are not doing so already). If this is what is being produced from a small capacity, just imagine what they will be generating from the larger capacity engines. There will always be controversy with regards to any awards, be it, car of the year, engine of the year, etc. All the engines considered are fantastic in there own right, it wood be hard to fault them, but as i said before, i think VW deserves this 1. Cheese |
I'm really surprised the Briggs & Stratton 4 stroke, vertical crank, twin choke, single carb, air cooled lawn mower motor didn't win any categories. One of Uncle Sams great motors, beaten only by the legendary Chrysler Hemi V8. |
MAESTRO you were correct, the DI, is not a diesel but stands for Direct Injections. This is what the jury had to say about this years award : Having accumulated 354 points from 65 judges, VW’s innovative new-generation TSI Twincharger has ended four years of BMW dominance to win the overall International Engine of the Year Award for 2009.
In what was the closest race in the history of the Awards, the Twincharger beat the 2007 and 2008 champion, BMW’s 3-litre DI Twin Turbo by four points. TSI’s triumph in the overall International Engine of the Year, Green Engine and 1-litre to 1.4-litre categories will be seen as an important victory for those backing the downsizing of internal combustion engines over other solutions such as gasoline hybrids and full electric vehicles.
Most notable was how well VW’s 1.4-litre unit managed to gather points from markets outside Europe, with judges in North America, Asia and South America all awarding top marks. “It was an easy choice,” said international motoring journalist Peter Robinson. “TSI combines outstanding refinement with terrific performance and low consumption and emissions.” American Matt Davis was equally impressed: “Volkswagen’s 1.4-litre TSI EA111 is still way ahead of the curve, sensationally over-engineered in all the right ways, and even makes the company’s fantastic 2-litre TFSI already look like yesterday’s tech.”
The four-cylinder combines a turbocharger and supercharger in one compact unit. The result is power of up to 178bhp, but what’s most impressive is the engine’s specific power that attains 127.1bhp per litre of displacement. And with 240Nm of torque coming good at 1,500rpm, it’s easy to see why the jurors that look for performance and sporty characteristics were impressed.
But power is just part of the story for this year’s International Engine of the Year. The TSI derivative mated to VW’s DSG system emits 144g CO2/km, and in a Golf application, fuel consumption is rated at 6.2litres/100km (45.5mpg). With those figures, it’s little wonder that TSI won.
I guess the big change in trend that won it this year for vw, was purely due environmental concenrs... |
Maestro, you are partially correct. The winners of the eight engine capacity classes are shortlisted for the International Engine of the Year 2009 crown. Since the BMW 3-litre Twin Turbo (335i) won the 2.5-3.0 category in 2006 and 2007 it was eligible for International engine of the year award, which it won in 2006 and 2007 beating the VW 1.4Tsi by 13 and 18 points each year. This year however the 2.5-3litre category was awarded to the BMW 3 liter twin turbo diesel engine and it seems the juries liked the 1.4Tsi engine more. So in short to be eligible for International engine of the year, it needs to win its respective category before it can be considered. |
I think the VW 1.4 is an awesome Engine as is the 6.2 Merc. What puzzles me is the reason the M3 engine won so many years in a row was because nothing better came along to "dethrone" it. Now I must admit I am no expert but didn't the BMW 3L twin turbo win last year? If so, wasn't the 1.4 VW and the 6.2 Merc already around then too? If so, what has changed that they are now suddenly better than the BMW engine? Surely if you are the best at something, you can only be beaten by something new or better (modified). Now unless I am mistaken I am sure the 1.4 VW and Merc 6.2 haven't changed a dam thing the last 2 years so exactly how did the VW 1.4 suddenly get better than the BMW engine. Please don't get all aggressive and make stupid comments, just answer my questions like a mature person. I am not saying BMW necessarily makes better engines, I am just curious!! (PS I do however think BMW, Porsche and Ferrari make the best) |
Mr Anonymous User (6/18/2009 9:55)
If you are so appprehensive about this so called "unproven technology" then how do you survive in this modern era. Do you always wait a year before you buy a new kettle because you are concerned that the unproven technology in the element that is designed to be more efficient and longer lasting. Do you honestly think those clever german fellows decided it would be a great idea to strap a turbo and a supercharger to a 1.4 engine without properly factoring in all elements to ensure realiabilty, and if your answer to that is yes then suprise suprise, VW engineering headquarters must be in brakpan where turbos are being strapped to lawnmowers. I'm guessing that you would be worshipping a supercharged, turbocharged 3.2l V6 without even being concerned about "unproven technology" And as for the concerns about pricing, sure, it is expensive, theres no denying that fact, but tell what car is easily affordable these days? Bottomline, manufacturers are forced to use smaller capacity engines in order to comply with the strict emmision regualtions and all i can say is congratulations to VW for producing something rather special. Thank you very much, goodnight!! |
I thought the 1.4 TSI twincharger would be the ultimate breakthrough by producing the same sort of output power as the 2.0 litre turbo (GTI), but when I looked @ figures, it still fell quite a bit short. Small fuel savings (7.4 litres - 1.4 / 8 litres - 2.0) along with a sizeable lack of power and torque. And the cost was terribly high considering. Not that far off the GTI. And - when out of warranty - you have a supercharger to worry about too. That'll set you back a good chunk of change. To those who knock turbo's, all decent manufacturers will be providing them due to efficiency: lower emissions with the same level of power as a NA engine. And the price therefore of the turbo unit should decrease, I'd think. I've had my MK5 GTI for over 2.5 years and it's never given me one problem, so I'd hardly say VW's are *notoriously* unreliable. Any car can give issues. |
This VW enjine is great..wonder how long it will last. Want to see the condition of the 1st unit past 150 000 km mark? |
VW, Mercedes, Porche - joke. Also the worst in terms of environmental performance. |
Anon 11:40. I have driven both the 118kw and the 90kw 1.4tsi golf 6, the consumption driving normaly was 5.2 , and when reving to 7000 rpm it was 9.8 averaged on the trip 6.0l/100km. so either your lying or like exboyracer says you just cant drive. |
Vw can win all the awards in the book. The reality is that they breakdown and that you can count on. I have owned a few (top models) and will never buy another one as long as I live. |
vw/porsche/audi what's the difference Vuyani ? |
@piter: How can you comment when you know so little, get your facts straight. The warranty on the Vw 1.4 is the same as the rest of their cars. 3 years 120 000km, your thinking of the motor plan. Your comment is a joke. Please do some research before you make such stupid comments. |
Only when the day Toyota decides to use small turbos in their engines in their Hi-aces or Quantums then I'll know its reliable. Until then I'll give it a miss. In terms of engine reliabilty the hiace/quantum engines r light years ahead of any manufacturer. I say it because Toyata can use the SA Taxi industry as a benchmark that no other manufacturer can use. There are 100s and 100s of thousands taxis on our roads. Each taxi probably cover close to 100k km per annum doing countless trips day in and day out. These engines are put under so much stress for every trip. Besides loading the legal amount of 16 people they load more so on average that engine carries more than a 1000kg of passengers each time. Of the 1000s and 1000s of taxi drivers you never hear people complaining about realiability. Yes the body of taxi falls apart and not roadworthy but the engines still runs. Even if there is a problem, at night the mechanics quickly can fix it without fancy tools or diagnostics computers and that taxi must be ready to earn that guys bread and butter the very next day as he can't be with out it. And the Hi-ace just goes and goes. No manufacturer should not even be in the company when realibility is mentioned until they can show a real life case study over the last 20 years as the SA Taxi industry has shown for Toyota. The Japs are the kings of realibilty and will always be. Germans can have all the fancy trickery in there engines but still light years away. There is no engine better than the engine in the hi-ace and you got to repect that |
NICK - Thank you, as some of these uneducated idiots cannot put simple maths into practice nor can they read the English Language. |
ANON 2h40 - You said nothing about "under acceleration", your exact words were" I drove one on the launch! didn't see under 15.1 lts/100 the entire drive! pretty shocking! " So you're clearly the Moron. and BTW, I have driven cars with the 1.4TSI engine: The Tiguan and the Golf V GT which has a 125Kw version.Haven't driven VI as yet. ANON - 3h08, You're the STUPID one b'coz you clearly cannot read!! Not once in this blog have I praised AUDI, nor did I say anywhere that VW owns Porsche or AUDI. I said that they have always been regarding as one company in a matter of speaking. I am a VW, AUDI and PORSCHE fan.More proof of your stupidity is that you commend VW on the 1.4TSI engine, which is exactly what I'm doing, and then argue about it??? READ properly before slating someone's comments, or go back to school you clown. |
I think you guys are worrying too much on the category winners and not the overall winners.
International Engine of the Year 2009
Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger (Golf, Tiguan, Scirocco) as well as Green Engine of the Year as well as winning its category 1.0-litre to 1.4-litre, THAT is why VW has the edge on all the other makers... |
To answer Markus Fourie, timing chains are still used today in the most modern engines. |
ANON 2h40 - You orignally didn't say under heavy acceleration, you said that you couldn't get it below 15L the entire drive, and BTW, I have driven cars with the 1.4TSI engine - The Tiguan and Golf V GT which has a 125Kw version, so I do know first hand. ANON 3h08 - Whats family man got to do with anything? BTW where did I say that VW owned Porsche and AUDI??? As I stated at 4h47 yesterday the "VW Group", as the 3 have always been regarded as one company, and I am well aware that AUDI and VW both use the same motors, as they have done for many years, and where did I once praise AUDI in the above article. You'll notice that I usually praise VW, AUDI and Porsche. Between VW and AUDI I don't have a favourite as I've always seen them as one company competing in different segments. Also if you are commending VW on the 1.4TSI engine, then it means that we are on the same team, so I don't understand what your issue is, maybe you need to mature a little, and read properly before slating someone's comments. |
ExboyRacer, you always claim to be a family man and most family men are kinda matured or informative, please do some research before you make yourself a total idiot with your idiotic comments. Audi will loose badly in the engine arenas, leave that segment to the Beemers you stupid. Where are your RS line up in these awards, total crap! Your so called Audio is being made a favour here as that engine is also being used in the VW's. Stop your nonsense about Audio crap, Porsche owns shares in Audi you stupid. Again, Well done to the 1.4 TSI, i think it's tested and definately deserves that award. |
ExboyRacer, i know how to read and yes i did take the car out of 2nd moron! Not disputing its a bad or anything! Thought it was brilliant, just very thirsty under heavy excelaration in comparison to other cars i have driven in this segment and with bigger capacity. Do yourself a favour and drive one yourself before you start making unjustified comments. |
I cannot BELIEVE Merc's 6.2L made it! The KW output (for displacement), fuel consumption, and emissions are are all feeble. Fine, it sounds great, but that is about it. It is a sledgehammer approach to what should be a scalpel issue. Sorry Merc fans, don't agree with this AT ALL. |
@ Exboyracer. When did you decide that vw own Porsche? Porsche owns shares in vw not vice versa. |
1.4 TSI, well done, we still not sure about reliability as it's new, but it should be okey. Hey guess who won most of the awards, grrrr.... Beemer ! I heard somebody who maybe doesn't read the article to the end or just playing plain stupid saying where are the Beemer boys, dude, we are here and we are here to stay right on top, 3 pocketed, eishh..!! |
ANON 11h40 - did you take the car out of 2nd gear? No less than 15L/100kms. Or you do know that on VW's you can change the computer readout to Kms/Litre. Maybe the car you were driving was changed to this. And to EVERYONE saying nonsense about the reliability of the 1.4TSI - This motor was introduced in Europe in 2006, so the Europeans have been our Guinea pigs for 3 years, and it has proven itself there. BTW ALL VWs are tested at higher temperatures than other brands, in the likes of Namibia and Upington, so VW does deserve the win. ANON 11h41 - "Toyota - 1 Category VW - 1 Category Audi - 1 Category Merc - 2 Categories BMW - 3 Categories Where are the BM boys...? Here we are, on top. Where else?" Did you go to school? The count has it that the VW brand won 5 categories, including AUDI and Porsche. Where did you see VW winning only 1 award you blind Bast@$d. VW won best engine, green engine, 1.0 - 1.4 Engine, 2.0 engine, and new engine (3.8), keep in mind that these 3 companies have always been one. But if you refuse that statement, then VW took 3 titles, including the most important one. You BMW knobs are just so biased, and small minded. |
Are you sure you have the correct picture. The winning engine with a timing chain? |
How can 65 journalists judge highly technical issues like modern car engines? What technical qualifications do they have. Sounds much the same as the people judging Idols on TV. Get some real engineering types to do the judging then maybe the results will have credibility... |
it great to have an innovative engine like the TSi win.however the judges do not adjudicate on reliability.will this motor still be intact in 5 years?i really doubt it.last year they 3L twin turbo BMW won (2 years straight),but also reliability was not a factor in the judement.innovation is cool,but we the consumer still have to sit with a financial mess when all that turbo blows up in smoke.go and price a turbo replacement from ANY dealer. |
Where is Audi in all of this? Vorsprung Technik (or something stupid like that) |
I am enjoying the debate abt the pros and cons of a turbo, very informative. Seems there is merit in both arguments by the Technically Literate guys and i am only financially literate. I drive a Civic CTDi in Pta and i only use Sasols diesel. |
BigBoer - you are so right. South Africa accounts for 0.8% of world-wide vehicle sales - thats just on 2 days of world wide production. All the vehicles South Africans receive and can buy are designed for the major markets of Europe, USA and Far East. They are researched in these markets and manufactured for the operating conditions in these markets. They are built these days with a pre-determined certain lifespan and a utility factor which the manufacturer deems adequate for the consumer. Most of the product is designed for cooler climes, is highly computerised with a increased usage of plastics and composites (The "Chrome" Merc C Class grill is for example plastic and looks like hell after a months on Free State farms roads. because of this "european design and manufacturing" bias for very good reasons the Autralians have designred and made vehicles for their own customer needs and operating conditions. Many vehicles technologically less sophisticated but more durable. many engines both petrol and diesel normally aspirated.
As has been said - Africa is not for sissies. Nor is it for sissy cars. As model life cycles shorten the consumer is getting less utility value because the car companies need to sell you the upgrade. It's a bit of a rip off actually.
Google Afrokaizan for more info on a possible solution to SA's auto quandry where the average price of a new car is over a riduculous quarter of a million rand |
@technically literate
Our country delivers some of the best fuel in the world, but we export it, since we make more money. Then, we import all the lower quality fuel, since its cheaper. Why do you think Gauteng pays higher premium since its further from the coast, but SASOL is right there in Secunda. The fuel guys will make less profit selling the good stuff locally. |
Technically Literate Too - I have experience of that line myself, Sprinter injectors - there goes your Saturday afternoon. Yet is it simply the summer heat of a combination of factors, bad operator maintenance, over-stressing workloads (RSA road haulage operators are notorious for this) and of course feul. Feul up in Cape Town and the diesel is suicidal, so most of teh guys are in trouble when fueling up for the return trip to Joburg, even the Sasol stuff we have is not coal-to-diesel down in the Cape. Huge naturally aspirated Ozzie roadtrains are a fact, yet they operate in a very different schedule and traffic environment (not too mention environmental/emissions) and are don't have to run up such a severe altitude gradient as we do on the local coastal to Gauteng uprun. My point? Put good fuel in your car, don't red-line 15 seconds after startup and have it serviced by a proper techi (look for Bosch overall flashes) and your 1.4 TSI shoudl be fine. Supreme irony - Reef altitude and heat with great Sasol fuel, Cape Town optimal running conditions with suicidal fuel... |
Toyota - 1 Category
VW - 1 Category
Audi - 1 Category
Merc - 2 Categories
BMW - 3 Categories
Where are the BM boys...? Here we are, on top. Where else? |
mmm, good fuel economy on the 1.4 TSI! I drove one on the launch! didn't see under 15.1 lts/100 the entire drive! pretty shocking! |
BigBoer, I hear what you are saying, but...Let us call the global car market at 50million units, RSA market 400 000 odd, we don't really matter - unfortunately. If we properly lobbied government (and the bloody fuel makers) to deliver better fuel, there would be less of an issue. |
Technically literate "The long-haul trucking industry obviously does not subscribe to your factsheet...Good engineering is working with the challenges." Agree.
However.... when rescuing trucks outside Beaufort West the most common fault is either blown turbo's or big ends - particualrly the hot summer months.
Speak to the road train operators in Aussie and they will tell you they prefer the non- turbo Kenworths with Pacco engines for reliabilty.... but they are down on power. The most common breakdown fault in roadtrain Aussie too....turbos, big ends and wheel bearings. |
The proof is in the pudding. People saying that some engines are designed for Europe so it's not VW's fault - I'm sorry we pay a lot for cars down here we expect the product to be modified to suit our conditions. I actually think it's nothing to do with engineering. VW knows it has a strong brand and repeat customers and it probably does nothing about the 1.9 turbo fiasco becuase it has made a lot of profit from the whole thing. Think about it. They must be licking their lips with this 1.4 ..... |
I agree with some of the comments here. This 1.4 won't last on the reef. These fancy awards mean nothing in the real world. The best engine ( when you take running costs, reliability and fuel economy into account as well ) for some people could be the "Optimal Drive" 1.3 from Toyota. Just a thought. |
Who knows. Perhaps VW will surprise us all by winning the Paris Dakar Rally with this funny little 1.4 TSI engine. Some years ago SAAB with the had a 3 cylinder 900cc two stroke engine that delivered awsome power for it's size and won some rallies in the colder and snow climates where the ambient air temperatures helped cool the motor down sufficiently. The engine was a bit heavy on rings and the bottom end floated in roller bearings. Still wasn't the world's most durable engine though. |
Technically Literate Too "It is a known fact that turbo/supercharged engines do not give the durability and milage of an unstressed normally aspirated motor." The long-haul trucking industry obviously does not subscribe to your factsheet...Good engineering is working with the challenges. |
I wonder how the 1,4 by VW drives. I drove the Corsa OPC and to be honest, the torque wasnt fun when trying to pull away on a wet road! Too much wheelspin with no progress, and it would just snap at me if i dabbed the throttle in gears 1-4.
The 2 litre Renault in the Clio RS is a model engine, wonder why it was a no show here.
NA engines are more forgiving to drive. |
Anon 10:43 "to be used at our high altitudes and hot summers. Not the engines fault, just the application." A very good point excellently made, and the factor exacerbating this is our fuel, and the antiquated refineries producing them, especially in CPTN. Fact remains, in engineering and global validation terms, there is nothing at all wrong with the 1.4TSI, as opposed to what many uninformed people are saying, that it is essentially an unreliable engine. |
So Mini Coopers have a Peugeot Motor in them because BMW doesn't (and hopefully will never) go front wheel drive transverse engine configuration. Thank heavens. The Jaguar and Land Rover big diesels are also a derivative of the Peugeot engines.
Sadly purity of the line it seems is disappearing. |
@technically literate 6/18/2009 10:09 AM. No one said VW built the 1.4 TSi engine in a shed. Fact is , small capacity diesels and now this 1.4 engines are built for the european market and are not designed to be used at our high altitudes and hot summers. Not the engines fault, just the application. |
Funny how reliability is not considered for this award.
It does not matter how technologically advanced the engine is, if it's unreliable, it's not fit for purpose or use.
A normally aspirated engine is still the best way to go for reliability.
Modern engines are designed with 100 000 km in mind. I think modern engines are too stressed for any form of real reliability |
@Technically literate- Placing small unreliable non-durable overstressed engines on the market has been done (without too much success)before by huge international car companies. The reason why VW (and others will be forced to follow) "developed" this "Edsel of Engines" is the punitive tax on emissions now being introduced by Western Governments. not because it's good engineering or because the consumer want's it. Once again the consumer will suck the proverbial hind t*t when it comes to cost efficiency and drability. It is a known fact that turbo/supercharged engines do not give the durability and milage of an unstressed normally aspirated motor. There's that fine line between reliability/durability and performance. Engineers battle with this truism daily. Somewhere on this forum mention was made of the 560 V8 'lazy" Merc which just goes on and on. So too the big American V8's and the Ford V6 Essex motor. Hugely durable and reliable in their understressed original form. Put a supercharger on them and you have to basically re-engineer the motor for a race or two. |
i vote for BMW, their 4.0 v8(m3) can challenge the C63 V8 Merc. |
Adama. You are correct about the BMW development significance in the 1.6 petrol motor. You will notice however that I spoke of the Diesel development which features more of Peugeot's research than that of Ford. This includes 1.4, 1.6 (2 different specs), 2.0 and 2.7 with 3.0 to follow. The lion's share of the credit due on the 1.6 petrol rightfully belongs to BMW. All of them great motors either way. Congrats to this year's winners - lets see what next year's awards look like leaner engines delivering more power... |
bmw is the best |
REN you dumbass the M3 is not super or turbo changed. i guess according to you then its the best engine? |
REN you dumbass the M3 is not super or turbo changed. i guess according to you then its the best engine? |
What is the world's "best engine"? The criteria of the journos - driveability, performance, economy and refinement and successful application of advanced engine technology - are a bit nebulous. Who sponsors this award. |
anon 9:09 you`re actually mistaken ... audi was the first manufacturer to combine petrol direct injection with turbocharging,therefore it`s an audi engine,think about it,why wouldn`t the award have gone to vw then? |
TSI is taken from: fuel injec(T)ed (S)ewing mach(I)ne. I would be k@k scared owning one of these up on the Reef after the warranty is over, if the TDI's popping turbos are anything to go by... |
Amazing how people think a huge international car company will design and manufacturer an engine which is untested.
Everybody goes on about how unreliable it (1.4TSI) is, but where is the evidence? It's all just conjecture for g's sake, from people who hardly have a clue.
The way these people go on about the 1.4TSI you would imagine we are still the 1970s turbo era.
We're not. Nowdays have direct injection, variable valve timing, better computer modeling and test procedures and understanding of material stresses.
Congratulations to all the winners, technical expertise noted and appreciated. |
The turbo will go pop before you know it; brace yourself for a bill for tens of thousands the moment that happens. There will never be an acceptable substitute for engine capacity; if you want increased performance, increase the engine capacity; simple as that. |
RE Laichzeit: I will not back down from my comments about this engine. It is unproven technology, and it will give trouble as soon as the maintenance plan expires. I would rather buy a Golf 6 1,6, but then again, it is far too expensive. The 1,4 TSI Highline must be VW's idea of a very sick joke. |
I agree with Robbie,to all those sceptics put that in your pipe an smoke it.
Yeah |
I have a Merc 560SEL (best engine ever) and a Porsche 996 3.2 with same output ie. 220 kw, the Porsche has blow its bigend but while driving it the Porsche engine has big boots to fill to meet the low rev grunt of the Merc. After 3000rpm at reef the Porsche is fun, but then your going too fast... |
Well done VW. Bmw V8 M3 deservedly win that category, its the high revving V8 in the market. |
Pugfan not 100% true. All the engine tech is predominantly BMW. The reason why BMW didn't feature is because they actually busy developing a huge range of new engines. These engines will be introduced over the next few years. Not to take anything away from VW. Congrats to them. I just dont see the justification in charging R300K for a 1.4. |
what makes an engine international engine of the year? is it its availability internationally? its performance? its durability? its serviceability? the 1.4tsi engine has not been here for more than 2 years and its gets this award!!!! for all you VW fans, I say go ahead and buy it, we shall see your letters to the editor of Car Magazine when you take the malfunctioned turbo back to the dealers who are often clueless and arrogant. Best engine is a naturally aspirated engine....... |
@Daffy, thanks for giving credit where its due for a change. However i am suprised to see that the GTR V6 did not win anything. |
The Audi 2l engine is a VW motor sorry Audi fans.... (Anon @6:36) |
Isn't there a NOS caregory? My Uno makes 388KW. |
Well Donw VW. I thought the TT RS would have had a shout for Performance Engine. Maybe it was too late for this year. |
Ha ha ha ,i love this,the vw haters must be burning inside.Life is great,and to Pieter at 5.16,the warranty is up to 120 000kms,and the service plan up to 90 000kms.Go VW.. |
ExboyRacer. Peugeot shares engineering research with BMW and Ford. The 107 motor is originally a Toyota engine - but the shared diesel technology is predominately from Peugeot's side. You'll find this great diesel technology in Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover, Ford and of course Peugeot. BTW. Look out for PSA/Ford's new 3l Diesel in Engine of the Year 2010. Good performance - excellent economy |
I don't understand why the 6.2 amg gets this award now. Surely this engine has been on the market for quite sometime. 3 or 4 years? correct me if I am wrong. Great engine, take nothing away from Merc. |
This is not a joke. If you believe this is a joke then you must be stupid. If all the people agree on something and you disagree the fault lies not with the people but with you. If a baboon looks into a mirror and sees a baboon it is not the mirrors fault. |
Another reason to push up the prices... |
Anon 4:13PM, there is nothing remarkable about a 4.4l twin turbo V8 making 400kw. Ferrari did that with a 3.5l in the 80's. Even Audi's 2.1l 5 cylinder made 250kw in those days. |
The Merc 6.2 does not deserve the award this year because it's still underdone. Next year it will finally get the headers it deserves in the 430kw+ SLS sportscar. It will only then be a worthy winner. |
These awards are rubbish! The Germans must be rigging it. Ferrari have the best performance engine with their 380kw NA 4.3 liter V8. The new Lambo V12 is a close second and the Nissan GTR should be in there too. |
Well done to VW on winning two categories. The TSI engine is a super little package and deserved its accolades. Did not really expect them to take the green engine as well. Also a huge congrats to MB its 6.2 V8 on the perfromance engine of the year. With the new generation CGI engines by Merc I am sure they will challenge for the green engine next year. And finally Porsche gets an award for an amazing engine that just gets better with time. |
Oh yeah, thats Right !!! Can i Hear a WTF from all you golf 6 haters, "ooh its too expensive" oooh it will never last" oooh " its unproven technology " ooh "its only a 1.4 my nissan bakkie has a v6 "
Take that you huffy puffy blue faced losers
Thank you very much,
Goodnight :-) |
11 Germans and a Japanese engine in 12 categories, all I can say is, no surprises whatsoever, I've been living in Germany for a while now, and the Germans live up to their reputation of being sticklers for Detail and Perfection. |
Note - most of these engines are supercharged/ Turbo engines - WHY is an engine only 'good' if it's performance is being obtained by a supercharger/ turbo. Also note that all the German engines are supercharged or turbo engines. Is it not more challenging to get more performance etc. out of a normal aspirated engines? If so - then the 1-liter 3 cylinder Toyota engine is the world best engine.! |
"Ooh I don't want a 1.4" "VW this" "VW that" "Kwe kwe"
1.4TSI International engine of the year! Now stop whining and get with the programme. The 1.4TSI is brilliant! |
Congratulations to VW. That engine represents what engines of the future will be like. I expect that BMW fans will say these awards are meaningless now that VW is winning instead of BMW. |
Great engine - just wonder if VW will offer 100000km service plan. Normal VW engines (turbo) don't last - this one has Turbo + Supercharger!
Can you imagine - one month I replace the turbo, the next month we do the supercharger!!
Give me uncomplicated 2liter engine any time! |
Fantastic, just fabulous! Now quick, everyone jump into those castrated lawn-mowers while I blast to the sunset with my 3.0L I6 power plant. |
We'll see how reliable this highly stressed 1.4 is . All these awards mean nothing if the engine blows turbo's.... |
1.8 - 2 ltr - which is the benchmark goes to the best manufacturer = AUDI |
hahahahaha...BMW sucks. |
They should also judge these engines on reliability and i bet you VW's crap will fail first! A company's waranty lenght says a lot about its faith in its engines. VW 60,000km waranty is a real joke! I would like to see anyone purchase a secondhand 1.4TFSi with more than 60,000km on it. |
"The awards were judged by 65 motoring journalists from 32 countries (including two from South Africa) who rated the engines on driveability, performance, economy and refinement. Manufacturers were also rewarded for their successful application of advanced engine technology."
What!!!! The VW 1.4. Trust the journalists to pick this. This engine's durability and reliability is questionable.
But then look at the journo's choices of car of the year too. They don't seem to have a clue.
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So the VW group took the most awards - nice one!!! With BMW at a close 2nd which doesn't surprise me,as they're no idiots either. Just can't understand why, if Porsche's 3.8 took best new motor, then why didn't it take best motor for 3.0 to 4.0L? Anyway it seems as though Peugeot don't know how to build engines, seeing as they are borrowing from everyone else. TOYota for the smaller ones, and BMW for the bigger ones. I wonder if that Le Mans 908HDI's engine isn't maybe an AUDI unit - makes you wonder hey????? |
As a BMW man, i applaud VW for their award as overall engine of the year, and Merc for finally winning an award with that 6.2L engine, sounds great. BMW needs a replacement for that 5.0L V10, it has won its awards and needs to be retired now. Audi, one award is good, keep it up. |
Great VW / Audi, thats the way to go nowdays... small but powefull and efficient. Looking forward to see what power it will have in the new Polo GTI |
Where's the BMW Brigade now? I seem to remember they had a lot to say last year. Now with Mercedes cleaning up in the Best Performance Engine category, amongst others, they all seem to be pretty quiet |
Once again VW does it well done VW!!! |
And strangely enough, none of the usual BMW / Opel / other "Can't stand VW people" made any comments as yet. Seems to me the 1.4 TSi ain't that bad. |
Hopefully the anti vw crew ,jaffy(jackey and daffy)can finally give vw some credit ,or will it be sour grapes and throwing our toys again...? |
These engine awards are a JOKE this year! Total joke. Merc AMG 6.2L over how many better performance engines. Porsche 3.8L over the BMW V8 twinturbo! etc etc etc |
What?? This engine was launched in Europe over 4 years ago. Why is it NOW named engine of the year? What about the new BMW 4.4L V8 twinturbo fitted to BMW X6? Making 300kW's with the twinturbo's in Vee between the cylinder banks? |
Good to see Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz mentioned in this list! It just shows - one can't make a mistake buying ANY one of the "big three" |
It's good that the three Germans(BMW, MERC, VW/AUDI) all won because we would not hear the end from the Beemer brigade. |
Congratulations VW. Those who always criticise News 24 when VW article is published - you can't keep a winner down boys |
One on the nose for all the blinkered BMW fans out there! Excellent! |
Well Done Mercedes for winning performence engine of the year. At least some of the journalist have not gone all cookoo and obsessed with going green. Its good to see people still appreciate a good large, loud and powerful V8 which provides music to the eardrums as apposed to all these small lawn mower derivatives with turbos, chargers etc etc attached to it. And well done to Porsche as well. Once again extracting killer power from a 6 cylinder be it in turbo(911, GT2) or N/A(GT3). And finally congrats to VW for winning the title outright and as well as the green category |
To all the critics of Wheels24 and VW. I am sure this is pure coincidence? |