You must remember it's only a Nissan Skyline, not a "PORSCHE" or "CORVETTE". Everday man's car comparing to these cars with great history standards, you got to respect the Japs! Skyline all the way for me! |
Still just a Nissan, 5 years later only a nissan. Park the Porsche in my garage please. Many seconds in 5 years. |
RS246 - "New Corvette ZR1 did it in 7:26". If that's true, it means an American car is faster than this Datsun (I'm not suprised by the way). Awesome!! Can you conrfirm the time RS246? |
New Corvette ZR1 did it in 7:26. I bet it'll be cheaper too. Anyway - this thing will never be a Porsche or Lambo - no matter how fast it laps the ring. By the way - on Youtube is a video of a std Corvette C6 and the GTR in a few rolling drags and the Corvette wins every time. What happened there? GTR not all it was hyped to be hey? See for urself. |
Gotta respect the Japs. |
Bring it here so that we can show te others what Nissan is all about! |
Just read an Autocar (UK) group test (not a raw performance test) between the GT-R, R8 and Carrera S, and guess who won? Rising Sun's child came tops and the S last, claiming the Nissan had better steering feel than the 911. Performance wise it 'chewed the competition up, spat the remains on the gutter and then howled away'. All for 25k pounds less.
Porsche can cry foul all they like, but face it guys and gals, Nissan have just about made the best supercar this side of a 430 Scuderia.
No mean feat. |
"Anonymous User
10/13/2008 12:28 PM ... Yesterday I drove a Subaru STi and couldn't get a 0-100 time below 8 seconds.Subaru is lying about it's performance, or am I just not ALL THAT behind the wheel...? "
Release the hand brake, it usualy helps...
Nissan vs Porsche: it happened before in 1969, the 240z outperformed 911 costing twice as much.
Re, the gtr: we will let you know in a week... |
Who gives a woot about Lap times! Its a gtr man ! Ask any kids what kinda they want. And as for the truth .. check Top Gear lap times. Car cost very little compared to the cars about GTR. mmm Maybe i'll trade my M3 in for when if it comes to SA.. |
SCUDERIA ??? Isnt this a porsche vs Nissan debate .. At the end of the day look at the Lap times of truth. A car that cost a quarter and some of those that beat it my not much cost maybe 10 times. 1.19 around top gear track is insane for a nissan.. bank for your buck . Hey who knows. Maybe Ill trade my 08 M3 in for one. Who gives a crap about resale value . Its a GTR man. Ask any kid what kinda of car he wants. :) |
RE: Chris
What do you mean by "countless" transmission failures?
Since when is 2 or 3 "countless" failures (caused be fools who don't know how to drive the car properly)? |
Well, this being Columbus Day, I am reminded of the fact that there were many fools who said it was "impossible" for the world to be round.
Seems like many of the same fools are on this blog trying to argue that it is "impossible" for the GT-R to beat the overpriced German JUNK!
Sure are a lot of stupid people out there. LOL |
I think nissan did what they set out to do. They were aiming for Porsche and hit the target. The manufacturer power rating of performace cars from Japan is not something to take seriously. The previous gtr's power was rated at 205kW officially but was in reality a lot more. All the dyno figures i have seen on the web at about 450-480 at the wheels. The engine might actually have 550 hp? |
I believe the Porsche and Gtr should be tested by one driver with the same tires,on the same day.this way the true winner could be decided,and throw in a Noble N12 just for the fun! |
any body here realise thast the turbo is all AWD???? just thort id mention that! |
Hey YASEEN! "NO WAY, not even the V SPEC GTR will beat the SCUDERIA" U keep telling yourself that, maybe u'll start to believe it!Again u should let Topgear know that the STIG can't drive, because u said a R20mil SCUDERIA can't be beaten by a R500k(Cost in Japan) Nissan GT-R!LOL! |
Well done Nissan, the Germans are in commotion because of this beast. I believe with the traction-efficiency of AWD that lap time is possible. Pity about the gear box though, I always thought the Dual Clutch Transmissions were limited in terms of torque load. But hey, just buy 3 GTR's for the price of one Porsche GT and keep some change for the Gearbox. |
Will u guys please stop arguing. Faster than a Porsche or not, all I want is for the Gt-R to be sold locally. |
people keep saying the gt-r times are fake or whatever crap they smoking. fact of the matter is the gt-r is faster than the porsches... ask topgear, fifth gear (bruno senna was driving it). are these gt-r the v-specs as well? don't think so....
it's hard to accept it... goliath was knocked over by david using a slingshot...
beat that
godzilla here i come
stuttgart your nighmare isn't over yet |
Ego's have been hurt I see. What is this obvious jealousy with Japanese cars? They know what they are doing, so give them the credit. Unless you yourself can built a better car? Or even drive better? Or maybe think of something better to say? |
Every engine is handbuilt, so no two are the same. The 4wd system is also the very best, as it had already been in the R34. Yesterday I drove a Subaru STi and couldn't get a 0-100 time below 8 seconds. I think Subaru is lying about it's performance, or am I just not ALL THAT behind the wheel...? |
ok wait wait, mabye just mabye the nissan gtr can match the porsche 911 GT2, but how the hell can a car with 350 kw, wieghing 1750 kg, a slower gearbox, match the f430 scuderia which has 380 kw in a body that weighs +- 1300kg, a super fast f1 like gearbox and is track oriented!!! NO WAY, not even the V SPEC GTR will beat the SCUDERIA |
So what if it make more power than listed, the V-SPEC will make more! Ok you go tell Topgear that their track times are all lies and STIG can't drive because a GT-R is faster than your Ferrari that you will never own! At least the GT-R is my price range and can give most Supercars a hiding! Live with it, time done, where done and confirmed! Stop moaning!! |
Agree with irengineer, i r also engineer and Porsche layout is fundamentally flawed, the fact that porsche has had to use electronics to reign in its natural tendency to oversteer doesn't detract - hence the long associated driving style 'slow in fast out' if you drive it like any other car you will find yourself 'going through the pearly gates backwards'!
As for Godzilla doing lap faster than 911 well..... they were probably driving it like a Porsche...not like a Nissan..LOL |
Please check the Top Gear Power laps and show me what Porsche came close to the Nissan power lap. Check also all the other test drives done by reputable Car magazines and TV shows like Autocar.com.uk (GTR vs M3 vs GT3) and many others and tell me they all used slicks to beat that beatle on Steroids AKA Porsche. |
I did not drive it, drove in it with the Jap engineers when they test it in Rosslyn! Just for info, there is one driving around in PTA for testing from the Rosslyn factory! Wake up and stop being rude! |
This car is old news. This is the new info out only today.
Maserati MC12 Takes Production Car Nurburgring Lap Record, Crushes Enzo, Carrera GT and Koenigsegg CCX.
It did a lap time of 7:24.29 in slighty damp track condtions.
Now tell me how in the name of charlie do you realistically believe a stupid little jap-crap GT-R that weighs almost double some of these Hyper cars with a lot less power can run anywhere near these Hyper cars? Don't you believe that 1+1=2? Coz the GT-R time is impossible! |
Yes, I did, Audi won it for the last few times! But the artical is about lap times, not le mans! Maybe Porsche should use their track technology in their cars! Maybe then they'll beat the GT-R time around the ring?? I know Nissan does, with the JTCC! Just a thought! |
Agaim, what car did they send to Top Gear to put around their track..
Guaranteed it had the V-SPEC engine. Their was so much hype around the car there was no ways Nissan could afford to have it run an uncompetitive time rounf the TG Track so they sent a stock looking GT-R but probably running the 550Hp+ V-SPec engine. THERE IS NO WAY A GT-R can lap ANY circuit as fast a 430 Scuderia.. no way.. The Scuderia is 500Kg's lighter and makes 30Hp more! Is track orientated.. Use your heads.. the numbers and physics dont add up! |
Many many dyno's of the ''stock'' GT-R show it to already have over 400kW's, some as much as 415kW's.. thats's 550HP..
The list of lies associated with this car are quite funny! Yes its fast, but thatc coz it has as much as 550Hp, not the claimed 480Hp! |
I'll take 1. And that what counts. Many people will be able to afford one and get Porsche-type (or better) performance. Thats all that matters. |
NAD SAYS HE DROVE A NISSAN GT-R IN SA ALREADY..
LOL! HA HA HA HA HA YEAH, WHATEVER MAN.. STAY AWAY FROM THE BRANDY BUD.. |
irengineer - what the hell are you going on about "porsche fundamentally flawed"? Have you seen Porsche's results at Le Mans the past 10 times out? Newton might say that porsche's layout shouldn't work, but it does work. Oh and just for the record I have owned an R33 GTR so not biased in any way here. |
The GT-R beat the Porsche Carrera GT and 997 Turbo around the Topgear track. What is Porsche's excuse for that? Gregg, BMW fanboy with a 100 aliases, don't mention the M3 in this debate, it is not in this league. Also, how come the Stig didn't manage to break GT-Rs "glass" transmission. |
Lol, I see this article has drawn some heated arguments. The Nissan posted a similar good time around the Topgear track, bear in mind this is a four seater performance sedan. As Clarkson said: “They haven’t built a new car, they’ve built a new yard-stick”
1:17.1 – Gumpert Apollo S
1:17.3 – Ascari A10
1:17.6 – Koenigsegg CCX
1:18.4 – Pagani Zonda F
1:18.9 – Maserati MC12
1:19.0 – Enzo Ferrari
1:19.5 – Ariel Atom 2 300
1:19.7 – Nissan GT-R CBA-R35
Rip Porche. |
Face it, the GT-R beat the GT2 around the ring!LOL! Drove in one at Nissan's Rosslyn plant. Awesome car! Anyway can't wait for the V-SPEC than still to come! I was informed the the V-SPEC will have carbon roof(like M3), bonnet, venders, seats and and and....... will be around 100-150kg lighter that normal GT-R! .... and ohhh... will have around 410-430 kw..... Now I want to hear u Porsche and other supercars moan about the lap times around the ring(look at 7:20).... BTW... TOPGEAR also tested the GT-R around their track with the STIG... ran a time of 1:19.7 same as Ferrari Scuderia and faster than a Lamborghini LP640..... get the GT2 to beat that! Wonder how the V-SPEC will do? Recon it will run in the 1:17.?? maybe 1:16! Can't wait! Anyway if I buy one of these, I will not sell it! |
LOL!!!!!! that hurts |
I'm a big fan of German cars and still believe the Germans make better cars than anyone else. It's nice to see some of the "cheaper" cars catching up in performance, the Evo IX has done a nice job at that too but I doubt that you are getting even half the features on the Japanese cars that you are getting on the Germans. Take the M5 for example, it's a total beast and will beat most cars out there, and the best thing is you can drive 250km/h with the aircon and radio on and you don't have to shout to your passengers because the engine is too loud. I doubt that you will be able to do that in the GT-R. But you got to admit, this is a good looking car with outstanding performance, well done Nissan! |
Impressive lap time and what an awesome package, Bang for buck this GT-R is awesome.
You want a rocket...buy this baby, you want piece of mind...Porsche!!! |
Guys, go hit the net. These GT-R's are FAR from bulletproof. All around the world each and everyday another GT-R breaks a transmission and then Nissan just voids you warranty coz you took the traction control off ( even though some of the pre-programed functions like the track mode disable the TC automatically) and then they make you pay $20K for a new transmission. That's over 1/3 the value of the car. So get your facts straight. These GT-R drivelines are falling to pieces the world over. Not bullet-proof.. more like made of glass! |
At the end of the day all wheel drive is better than rear wheel drive!!!
It will always be! |
what has resale value got to do with lap times?forget resale values,we r talking engineering here.and suddenly porsche engineers are scratching their heads because a car costing half of their is better.plus,996 turbos are now costing under 1M that cost 1.7M when new.where is the investment inthat? |
Well, everyone has always said it WAS and STILL IS physically IMPOSSIBLE for the GT-R to have run that time with the weight of the car and the ''stock'' engine power. They ran that time with a modified engine and at worst, cut-slick tyres. Porsche now ran the GT-R lap after lap after lap and couldn't get a time even just faster than an E92 M3 or Cadila CTS-V.. ANd that proved Nissan faked the time. NO Nissan try say Porsche are coming up with stories. Facts are facts Nissan.. there has never been proof of teh 7:28 lap time and the only proof is the time Porsche ran.. You cheated.. plain and simple! |
Considering that the GT-R is less than half the purchase price, the residual value should be excellent. Nissan's "Godzilla" cars have an excellent reputation for being almost bulletproof in reliability. I'd rather have the Nissan, you can extract great speed so much easier than in the Porsche. The GT-R also won't have the "ass first" hedge hopping attitude of the fundamentally flawed 911 with it's pendulum mimicking heavy rear end. In the GT-R, you'll survive a fast back road blast, in the 911, it might all end in tears...fancy PSM electronics or not. Newton wins! |
Instead of offering driving tips maybe Nissan should be attending to the countless transmission failures that are occuring each day with the new GT-R. And the funny thing is that Nissan are voiding the warranty with each and very person who is having a tranmission failure coz they took the traction caontrol off. LOL! What a joke. This is what happens when you buy jap-crap.. take the traction control off to use the Launch Control function they built into the car and you lose the warrany when the tran fails coz of the fucntion you used..
What a joke.. |
Whahahaha! Shame Porshe really are hurting about a car costing half as much absolutly killing them around the ring. Maybe they should send their drivers on nissans advanced course as they clearly had no idea how to drive a real performance car. Booom! |
Yeaah, i would love to see the PRICE of the Porsche GT2 NEW...could buy 4 GT-Rs for the same price.
C'mon, get a life!!!!
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I like your thinking. I was just pondering why there are close to none of those very first shape (SA released) 1.8T Audi A3/A4's left on our roads. Could it be the turbo factor? And our SA market is currently flowing with these German turbo cars. Not at all related to the article, but hey - both cars are turbo and the point is valid for any turbo. Keep it for your track car. |
Missing the point here buddy! This is strictly about lap times!! |
The Nissan will still be in 1 piece for sure - like the old Skyline ad's use to say - born & bred on the racetrack ! Also, remember Nissan's "indestructible" ad's ? the Porker being in 1 piece in 5 years, i'm not so sure ... |
Nissan vs Porsche, mmm....would love to see the secondhand value of the Nissan in 5 years compared to the Porsche, if it is still in one piece :) |