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Magistrate backs lawlessness

2010-02-09 08:26

     

    Johannesburg - Gauteng Chief Magistrate Daniel Thulare will be referred to the Magistrates' Commission for saying drivers can drive without a licence, the transport ministry said on Monday.

    Department spokesperson Logan Maistry said Transport Minister Sibusiso Ndebele said Thulare's comments were "disconcerting, misleading and totally unethical".

    Thulare said in the Sowetan on Monday, drivers who could prove they had a learner's licence which had expired while the driver was trying to obtain a testing date for a driver's licence, would be able to legally drive on South African roads.

    'Conviction unlawful'


    "Any conviction of a citizen for driving without a licence would therefore be unlawful if the state itself has failed to test that person," Thulare said.

    However, Ndebele was quoted as saying in a statement: "Why is magistrate Thulare, who is supposed to be a custodian of our law, advocating lawlessness?"

    "The supremacy of our Constitution and the rule of law are foundational to the democracy established by the Constitution. Whilst we respect the independence of the judiciary, in all constitutional democracies the judiciary plays a pivotal role in shaping society."

    "The judiciary therefore needs to engender trust, integrity and moral rectitude."

    Illegal

    Ndebele said any person caught driving without a driver's licence on South African roads would be arrested.

    "Based on Magistrate Thulare's comments on driving licences, may we then assume that an accused who appears in court, and the case is remanded several times as a result of no fault of the accused, should simply ignore warnings to appear in court again?

    Should persons who have been unsuccessful several times in obtaining a firearm licence simply continue to be in possession of a firearm without a valid licence?"

    "According to the National Road Traffic Act [Act 93 of 1996], any person who drives a motor vehicle on a public road must be in possession of a valid driving licence. Therefore, it is illegal to drive a motor vehicle without a valid driving licence," he said.

    "In the event of a collision, the driver will be charged for being unlicensed and a civil claim for damages may also be instituted against an unlicensed driver."

    Safety

    Ndebele said an unlicensed driver not only posed a threat to his or her own safety but also to the safety of other road users.

    The Johannesburg Metro Police Department had not received any amended legislation that allowed a person to drive without a licence, Inspector Edna Mamonyane said.

    "Until we receive that, unlicensed drivers will be fined," she said.

    "We agree that the booking system is not working, but that does not mean you do not have to follow the law," she said.

    Ndebele said the department of transport was continuously working with provinces and municipalities on service delivery problems relating to testing stations.


     
    Any Wonder (Henri)
    2/10/2010 11:11 AM
    Can we not start a collection plate and run an awards ceremony for this champion magistate? A man trained in the law and possesed with logic-Bravo! to him, more's the pity that clear thinkers are in the minority in RSA --Magistate Daniel Thulare please fight the Minister of Tansport tooth and nail or send him to law school/The commensense School/get-your-act-together school or whatever it takes to get our government to start acting fairly/efficiently/ corruption-free etc. If you live in a society where JHB council can't/won't answer a query for 6 months, won't remove their Parks Dept. cut down trees from the street for 3 months, won't refund you deposits from 2 previous homes (10 years), your finance house(bank) won't help you with an unfit/rebuilt vehicle bought from a reputable natoinal franchise. Your 72 year-old house-help can't obtain an accurate ID or even her pension after 8 years of trying etc. etc. When you become the butt of your overseas friends, family and visitors jokes about your State President's moral/corrupt fibre etc. etc. then you wonder how brave 1,5 million South Africans who left to just the UK in fact were. Magistate Thulare, fight dem buggers and maybe you will rise to even higher places in the independant law field and be of even more consequence to the correction of our skewed society.
    mampara
    2/10/2010 1:02 AM
    If u booked for drivers licence n failed then u have 2 rewrite ur learners coz it would then expire coz u can only get 1 drivers date in 18months. This is a money making skam thats why people drive without licence. Magistrate was totally correct due 2 incompetency of traffic departments whose main focus is 2 catch speeding drivers in rediculously slow speed areas. Soft targets
    Justice
    2/9/2010 11:20 PM
    I would volunteer to be a witness in the magistrate's defence. I have had a learner's licence for a motorbike expire twice. That is three years and, the call centre simply says there are no dates available for motorcycle tests. Every weeekend, I look in awe at the hordes heading for Hartebeespoort in their steel horses and wonder how many actually have a licence to ride. Remember the rugby players with their Harley's and instant licences? I am sure a court will soon put a time limit to tis madness like say, if you cannot be tested within a period of 3 months, you should be entitled to drive your car until such time that the authorities can test you.
    nicodemus
    2/9/2010 11:41 AM
    Iwould love to see a class action against the various Govt depts who dont function. The chief magistrate is quite correct. If you have applied three times for a test, or gun licence, or electricity connection, or been to court as required -- in other words, if you have more than fulfilled all things required of you & have PROOF of your efforts -- then surely you cannot be still penalised because the GOVT is UNABLE to do its job!
    Sithembiso
    2/9/2010 11:01 AM
    The Licencing Department's across the country need t obeef up.
    smartass
    2/9/2010 9:14 AM
    the law is the law right,Inspector Edna Mamonyane says the booking system does not work and the electorate must suffer for government's incompetence, this is so ludicrous, what do you do if something does not work, do you then fine someone who voted you into power?

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