Another thing, maybe with the twin turbo V8 will the RS5 be priced around 750K but with the twin turbo V10 , comes a more expensive engine, gearbox, electronics (safety and driving aids), ECU, suspension etc. So im sure the price will reach the R1m bracket. Remeber Audi is not some backyard mechanic that only cares about how much power output they can produce. |
at Wayne, u still don't get it. Its not a price issue , its a power issue. Making the RS5 to powerful will kill R8 sales especially in V8 guise. Audi would rather have you buy R8's than RS5's as the profit margin would surely be more. |
@ Shark
Precisely, so how can they price the RS5 in the same range as the RS6 and R8? Quite simply they can't! |
@ Wayne, u still have a lot to learn. U clearly have no clue of business and marketing. Like all car manufactures, Audi is a business that has to make sales at the end of the day. |
Ahem boys and girls. Let's can this debate. We are competing against a BIASED moderator; biased towards Audi. Where's my post on the RS6 that blew up up its gearbox twice ??? |
exboyracer,yes,true.i don`t want to land up sideways in a lamp post,with a zuma anc poster lying on my windscreen.Audi has better overall balance of everything that makes a good car,if i wanted a track car i would get a proper race car. |
Keep on hunting. It was a mistake I was informed about this site, it's non educational at all and just brings about road radge as some can't afford this awesome beasts. I'm officially out of this site and going to drive my 325I (COUPE). Most of you who keep arguing about cars and wasting their time will be hallowed by us on the roads with the likes of X6 ///M, watch these space!!! |
The ignorance of some people is really amazing.
RS models compete with M models and AMG models.
S models are "trim packages and sometimes have higher engine output.
I LOVE BMW. Also look at MERC and AUDI.
Thing is, ignorant RUNTS seem to always argue over invalid points.
Yes, you should be allowed to DEFEND and SHOWCASE your brand of preferance.
But please dont insult the rest of us BMW supporters by acting like children. Are you? |
POACHER - Turbos or N/A, doesn't matter, the RWD cars will still always suck if the conditions aren't perfect ie: crap surfaces, rain etc.... YES, RWD is by far the most fun, but the tyres get shredded, and if you try have fun on normal roads, the RWD cars will meet with the lamp posts and trees a lot easier than AWD. With the Quattros you can throw them around no matter what the weather or road conditions are like...come rain, snow or sand. So in other words BOTH BMW and AUDI are ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT in their own right. Me, I'll take AUDI, coz the only place with perfect roads, is the track. True? |
Jackey what next. I suppose next u will be comparing BMW to Ferrari. What dickheads?? Porsche is a man's car someting u will never afford. This is going to be a great car no matter what. |
Hey poacher calm down boet, its just a car i think u need a hug |
@ Shark, you have no clue what you are talking about idiot. The RS5 will come in around R750 000. MTM have already pushed out 450 bhp from an RS4 with a supercharger so why would they only get 350kw? |
Anon user at 21./4-9.38am.....you don't understand the problem. What we're saying is if you need to compare with a normally aspirated engine, throw away the turbos or allow the M6 also to fit turbos :( (Dimwit) |
@ Anon 8.54...Wow !!! Thanks for the bit of info but it still an Audi....!!! |
DW- the reason Audi uses turbo's will be the same reason that the new M3 will run the 335i and not the V8 anymore, emissions. Turbo's make the engine more efficient thus lower emissions, this is also why VW are running small capacity motors with Turbo's or superchargers or both. I rememeber when BMW fanatics SWORE that BMW will NEVER run charged motors, that they have the BEST normally apsirted motors in the world, my how we forget. Now, they sing the tune look at our TWIN TURBO 335i..WOW...LMAO...come on guys...BMW's claim to fame, REAR WHEEL DRIVE POWER...Audi's claim, QUATTRO...they both EXCELLENT brands....just approaching the same "problem" from different angels. |
@ jackey. Your ignorance is killing me. You said "the only reason Audi brought out the RS4 is coz the old S4 V8 was no match to the E46 straight 6.." Audi does not make the RS4 but Quattro GmHB. Quattro gmbh is limited company responsible for its own profit and loss and reports to audi has their primary shareholder, just like M-Division is. Quattro is a small company relatve to the M-devision. They so small that they can only build one type car at a time. When Quattro GmBH launched the r8 they had to build another factory just for that and now they can do 2 types of cars at a time. Therefore the reason what you have the RS6 now and the RS4 discontinued because of the small nature of the company. The S4 is made by Audi and not by Quattro. The S series is just what Audi calls their top of the range model and has no reference to being a motorsport car. So it cannot compete against a M car. |
B=Blik M=Met W=Wiele |
Shame.... they need turbos to get going.... |
you're all wimps with inferioty complexes arguing about cars like schoolboys and their matchbox collections
HAS ANYONE EVEN USED PUBLIC TRANSPORT?! |
Funny to see every bm, Audi and Merc storie end up that the BM okes tell you how good the M3 is, I could have sworn according to the that is the only car they make |
Daffy your such an idiot. The RS 4 will trash the old M3. Of course the current M3 is the rival of the RS4. Dont you read magizines or watch tv, they all compared them like I said and the whole world, you are the typical BMW fan. |
Here in europe Audis still trail behind on driver appeal but on looks and motorway performance they rule.lv had the pleasure of racing an old rs6 in my v8 m5 and l kept up with him even with 50hp less till we got to B and A roads where he couldnt have the bottle or handling to keep up with me even tho he had 4wheel drive.Audi are no Bmws yet, but they are catching up |
You know, every single time an Audi comes up for review it comes down to the same old thing. Why not just give a little credit where it's due? I'll tell you why - its the same reason so many people (writer included) refuse to consider buying a BMW - your typical Fast & Furious "I'll moer you stukkend my china" mentality characteristic of the droves of second-hand BMW owners over-revving their way around our streets. |
Both Audi and Merc can't do nothing without their turbos....or they build engines 50% bigger than BM's and say "We're competitive" MWAHAHAA! |
Audi is not competetive without turbo's :( |
Lets use the scenario where it will get 426kw (which I doubt as its been well documented that it will only get about between 330kw and 350kw), in this scenario Audi will shoot themselves in the foot, not only will it eat up the M6 (purely on power, we all know BMW’s are better precision cars), but it will also embarrass bigger bro R8 V10. This would thus steal sales from the R8. The RS5 would also then be probely price over R1m if you consider the normal R8 price and RS6 price, thus it would be in direct firing line with the likes of Porsche GT3, Audi R8 V10 (Sibling rivalry) and not to mention Godzilla. Now if it’s the more likely 330kw-350kw then its an M3 competition, faster in every regard (an more expensive) except in the corners. Now as an M6 rival well all I can say is that it will be better than the M6 (yes even in 350kw), the M6 is pathetic for a BMW M Car. I hope with the next M6 BMW makes it more lighter and agile and with a better Gearbox please. But between the M3 and this, it will be close. Nonetheless it’s a beast. Bring it on. |
Very speculative, not quite sure whats the use of this article, other than to piss off BMW fans. Haha it worked though so i guess it was useful after all, nice one wheels ;) |
@0000...the only reason Audi brought out the RS4 is coz the old S4 V8 was no match to the E46 straight 6 hence it came out @ the end of its cycle..They had to resort to getting more power out of the failed S4 just to beat the M3, now that bush engineering !!! They cant compete on equal grounds..And it was long rumoured that the next M3 (E92) would be V8 coz BMW has manged to squeez every last bit of KW's from the M3 CSL 3.2l (265kW) not even Porshe can manage that so do not say that BMW followed Audi's route in getting V8's for the next M3 and by the way MO has clearly defined Audi..So Audi Groupies get used to the fact that BMW will ALWAYS be the benchmark.... |
@Anonymous 3:32pm. You are talking about the RS4 that came out years later to take on the E46 M3 after the S4 could not do the job. Never mind the fact that it was a V8 going against a straight 6. Get it into your thick skull, the E90 M3 is not competing with the previous RS4, that is why there is this junk now, the RS5 which is pretty useless really. |
The new BM 5 series, will eat this for breakfast, then soon you will see the new 6 coming out, just hold on to something. |
What a lot of childish debate. The RS5, when released, will compete with whatever it stops next to at the traffic light. End of story. Oh and editor get your facts straight re engine speculation and debut. |
I heard an RS4 at full bore on Saturday, oh boy, what a great sound. Pity Audi insist on making "family" cars. Driving dynamics are sacrificed for rear-passenger legroom (by moving the engine as far forward as possible).
Surely one can buy say a Golf Gti to cart around daily. I love BMW for their non-compromise approach to handling, even an X5 is a Nurburgring graduate.
Also BMW and MB don't build their cars to a price, Audi always approach the battle with price as their major weapon (A4 price-competing with 1-series) and great interiors (I would love to have some of those in my living room, LOL) |
Cameramans got a sense of humour.....if you can understand German dear BMW drivers read the writting on the circuit (pic 3)......... |
Who cares which of which is better then what!
Most of you STILL CAnt afford to drive let alone OWN any of these cars so whats the point in arguing??? |
daffy dof...everyone and thier dog were comparing the two v8s (m3 and rs4)when the m3 came out,what a coincidence m3 came out with a v8 after they used a straight six for how many years?hypnotised by that blue and white propeller? |
what's up with that bulky, steroid look? |
audi = over engineering + inferiority complex
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so one or the other car is half a second quicker round a track,who cares?(these times could easily be changed around just by using a different driver)audi strikes a better balance with performance,comfort,design in and out etc. |
anon 1:03,referring to cars in action(bmw biased mag,editor even drives an m5)have you compared 80-160km/h times of rs6 and m5?0-200km/h?standing kilometre?"the rs6 posseses the overtaking flexibility of nothing we have ever tested before,no matter what the under-bonnet conditions are, so steer clear"sound familiar?you reckon on the road the rs6 will get slaughtered...hope you`re ready to be embarassed pal. |
The A5/S5 is competing with the 3 Series Coupe, cause its based on an the A4 platform. Audi named it A5/S5 just to inflate their prices. Because if it was names A4 Coupe, the prices were not gonna be justifiable. |
@0000, you are clueless. The V8 M3 does not compete with the old RS4, that was the previous M3's job. We (BMW) are still waiting for your new competitor against the current M3 and Merc's C63...i guess this RS5 is it. |
BMW people - I like your brand, but I like AUDI more! Do yourselves a favour, go test drive a BMW of any kind, and see how much attention you draw. You'll realise not too much coz every BMW, as good as what they are, is just another BMW. But go test drive an A5 of any kind, and you'll notice everybody looking and staring, coz it's rated as one of THE most beautiful cars ever designed. The BMW's might be quicker on a track, but on everyday roads where the surfaces change, the BMW battles, and then lets rather not mention what happens to those rear wheel drive cars in the wet weather, and yes we live in SA where it rains rather often. AUDI will always be the better all-rounder. |
This crap from Audi should start by beating the M3 before aiming too high for the M6. Like any other Audi it will have some big balls but don't deliver. |
Competitor to the M6? No sure about that. The A5 range competes with the 3 series coupe. . But in actual fact maybe it will beat the m6 even if in a different class. Afterall the M6 was the most overhyped car ever and the car that dissapointed the most. When it was first launched every journalist was anticipating something to hit the competition for a six as it came with carbon fibre roof, V10 engine etc(which was revolutionary for its time) and it was BMWSs first car to smash the R 1million mark. For Million rand people expected an explosion. The saddest part of it all the M6 could hardly even beat it heavier sibling the M5 at the time of launch which was over R200K cheaper. The only good thing was the engine as handling was not BMW like. Journalist still ranked the car behind the Porsche carrera, Vantage and Audi R8 and all of them had smaller less powerful engines. And the m6 faded in the background with hardly any magazine raving about it. It hardly performed on the nuringburg ring at all. If there is ever going be another M6 I hope its not dissapointing as this one. So the RS5 might actually be the only choice I guess for a raw power coupe. |
This RS5 is not getting the V10 and it is not an M6 competitor. Thank goodness because it looks far better than that Bangled design. It is getting an upgraded normally aspirated RS4 motor. Listen to the awesome sound of this car on www.worldcarfans.com |
Anon User
4/20/2009 1:03 PM
RS6 was not built for the track. It is an autobahn bruiser. That's where it will kill any opposition. Like the 135 and 335 that also overheated at Kyalami after 3 laps. Typical BMW idiot. RS5 will have upgraded RS4 and R8 motor with approx 450BHP. |
BMW guys, come on, grow up.Audi do not compare their cars to BMW because it is the benchmark. Journalist and reporters compare them, not Audi. And the reason they compare it to BMW in SA, is because in Brand Loyal uneducated South Africa, BMW is the top selling acr in that segment. Also, I have an S5, its awesome, but I would not buy the RS5. The lines are messed up by those over the top air intakes. |
All you BMW fans/Audi haters should wake up. Audi is the NEW benchmark. Just have a look at recent sales....
And yes, the A5/S5/RS5 is in the same class as M6 and does not compete with the 3-series BMW.
Sigh.... |
How many RS cars sold..?? Look at it this way.. As of last week, WORLDWIDE only 850 RS6's have been ordered. A measely 850.. It's a total sales faulire! TOTAL.. This RS5 will join the RS6 in that failure. Audi are killing their own brand. Too many cars in each line. Too many performance versions. Too expensive. Audi are lining themselves up for a massive financial slump! |
I think someting is wrong here. Surely the M6 eater is the RS6 twin turbo V10 and not the RS5 (or for that matter the RS4 - they share the same platform) |
@Mo - yes - just like BMW introduced the V8 M3 when the RS4 was at the end of it's life. You can't say that. Manufacturers don't try to syncronise these things, they introduce a new model when development is finished and the car is ready to be introduced. Typical BMW clueless comment. |
a5/s5 etc fantastic range,if i were still single with no kids ,she would be mine,yes please! |
Did anyone see the Cars in Action comparison of the RS6 against the M5. The audi could only go 1st time in the morning. At kyalami after the 1st lap it lost 2 seconds, 3rd lap it started spluttering. THen when they stopped its brakes caught on fire. So they can try putting this heap up against a 335i or M3 or M6, trouble is when it actually meets one of those BM's on the road, its just going to get slaughtered. |
Awesome looking car, but why always compare other car's against a BMW. Is it because BMW leads and the rest follows, or is BMW just the benchmark for improvement? Makes you think, does'nt it! |
Why can't is be a rival to the M6???
It is a two door coupe and with 426kw it can be a rival to most coupes. And is will smash any form of 3 series. But then again as anon user 9:54 said it wount get 426kw but only 350kw. 350kw and 700nm was the output of the 55amg engine and those cars was fast, so i think it will be enough. |
why is the drivers face covered?It`s the bmw ceo taking it for a spin ,caught with a huge smile of admiration on his face,threatened to sue if the media printed ...true story.
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Watch this brand ! |
The new 5 series is coming next year along with a brand new V10 to get things as it has always been. |
If people feel that this car looks ugly, hey that's their comment/opinion, it's too bad they have no taste. But, DAMN!! this car looks beautiful. With regards to handling though, BMW has always been the benchmark with their M cars, only time will tell if another manufacturer can compete. If this is the RS5, then i can't wait |
The motor is going to be an upgrade of the current RS4 and R8 motor. Approx 450 HP.
Should be awesome.
Anon User4/20/2009 9:52 AM I suppose a 1 Series is beautiful to u. |
Wow..Beautiful! |
One thing is for SURE.. the RS6 engine is a ONE-OFF engine that will only be EVER used in the total sales failure RS6. The RS5 will not get the the 5.2L V10 twinturbo. The ONLYdebate is whether the RS5 gets a tweaked N/A RS4 4.2L V8 with new internals and direct injection with 330kW's or a twinturbo version of the RS4 4.2L V8 with around 350kW's. And again.. its no M6 rival.. rather M3 and M3 CSL (if BMW decide to change their mind and build an E92 CSL) |
How many of this kind of cars get sold per year? At least global crisis seems to skip them. Lets wait and see for how long. |
The 4 Ring CIRCUS targets the BMW AGAIN, cant they stop comparing and try to INNOVATE?
BMW will always be the benchmark, Audi drivers get used to it!!!!! |
How the heck is this an M6 competitor? It is widely known that RS6 is going to have 450 bhp (as opposed to 507 in the M6), and it's far heavier than the 1710 kg M6. Finally, the RS5 is designed to be a competitor for the m3, not the m6. Jeez.... |
This nooks quite nice, but why is it that Audi allways follow other niches? Can they never create a new segment? |
OK, I normally hate Aud's because they all look the same (yes I'm a BMW driver). However, this car looks awesome. The bumpers gives it a whole new look, so that no-one will wonder if it's maybe an A3 or an A8. With that engine it will eat the current M6 alive. But only until the new M6 arrives... |
Yet again, BMW is the benchmark. Should this car not go against the 3 series Coupe? Surely it won't be in the M6 price range. |
What a car! But somehow Audi just cant get it right in the handling department. Saw an episode of Fith Gear the other day where they have an S5 (V8 250 odd kw, quattro 4wd) against a BMW 335i (6 pot, 225kw twin turbo, rwd). On paper, the Audi should have the Beemer beaten, in reality though, the BWM was half a second faster around the track and thats purely on handling, razor sharp turn-in, exceptional steering feedback etc. So I guess this will be ferocious, but will it beat an M6 around a track? Maybe purely because of the extra power, but that doesn't mean its a better car, IMO. |
Do me a favour. Its been widely documented for months now that the RS5 will use a twinturbo version of the RS4 4.2L V8 to develop 350kW's and 700N.m's. No V10 for the RS5. |
Oooohhh my word! How UGLY is that face..? That front bumper design is hideous. It looks EXACTLY the same as the TT-RS front end. Nasty. Audi are FINALLY losing touch of their design edge. This thing is so ugly! |
Mmm! Nice, how much...!
Funny thing is, the test mule has a role cage - 1. If this car is dangerous in the hands of a pro, what will it then be in the hands of an 18 y.o. son of a Waterkloof dignitary with his well endowed blonde "chick" beside him on the passenger seat? 2. I hope they properly compensate for the effect of the role cage on handling...
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Ummm again.. This is NOT competition for the M6 or the 6 series. The A5, S5 and RS5 are rivals for the 3 Series Coupe.. 330i, 335i, M3 and M3 Cabrilolet.
Its not that hard to get right. |
awaiting the typical bmw fans responses......... |
Shame... The M6 is almost at the end of its lifecycle and Audi is barely catching up. A=Always U=Using D=Date I=Innovations |
Let the (childish) bashing begin!!!! |
I just love the A5/S5/RS5 range. I think this car is a stunner!!! Would love one if I could afford it. |