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Cape to slash all speed limits

2012-09-04 09:47

Cape Town - A blanket 10km/h reduction of all speed limits is being planned for the Western Cape - including towns, which means the basic urban speed limit will be 50km/h!

The Western Cape Provincial Road Traffic Bill has been published in the Provincial Gazette and is open for public comment until September 20 2012.

The move means a maximum speed of 110km/h on open roads; all other limits to drop by 10km/h.

'NO LONGER TOLERATED'
 
In addition the minster. Robin Carlisle, wants 40km/h and 30km/h zones near shops, schools and areas of "high pedestrian concentration". 
 
Carlise said: "The carnage on our roads is an issue that affects us all. The distinction between driver, passenger and pedestrian becomes non-existent as we all bear a shared responsibility to ourselves and others."

Regulations already being drafted include the banning of "blue lights" for VIP transport as well as the law forcing powered vehicles to stay at least 1.5m from a bicycle rider while overtaking.

Within 60minutes of publishing nearly 100 comments bloomed on this story!

Blue-light convoys have repeatedly been involved in fatal crashes throughout South Africa and Carlisle has stated: "This will no longer be tolerated."

As a result, blue lights may not be used except in the case of a confirmed threat to the life of the VIP.
 
Other proposed regulations:
 
Protecting children
A new regulation proposing the mandatory use of child restraints, seat belts and rear and forward-facing child seats is being considered. There is a call for shared seating to be banned.

Harsh penalties for non-compliance will be applied; there will also be an offence of reckless behaviour with child passengers. Carlisle has also called for a ban on overtaking stationary school buses and other child transport.

Seatbelts
Passengers not wearing a seat belt will be fined "personally" rather than the offence resting on the driver's shoulders.

The public is encouraged to submit written or e-mail comments on the bill before September 20, 2012.

Postal address:
Attention Mr M L Watters
Western Cape Department of Transport and Public Works
Box 2603
Cape Town
8000
Fax to 021 483 2166

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  • Bertverlinde - 2012-09-04 09:57

    Great news. Drivers in SA have an incredibly bad tension to speed.

      Phoenix - 2012-09-04 10:24

      Really? I have bad tension when I am forced to drive too slowly.

      Stormkaap - 2012-09-04 10:29

      I would have great difficulty keeping to 50km/h speed limit. There are other reasons that cause drivers to have road rage. My great gripe is when you have people driving in the fast lane and not wanting to give way the faster moving vehicles. What ever happened to keep left pass right.

      Bertverlinde - 2012-09-04 10:30

      Yes really, go to Europe and see how they drive there. Much slower and more careful. And with much less accidents. 50km/h in the city and residential area is fast enough. double lanes can should be faster, say 60-70.

      lila.hearst - 2012-09-04 11:11

      @Bert. How can you possibly compare Europe to us? In South Africa a majority of the vehicles are not roadworthy, tens of thousands if not more have a false drivers license and then take into consideration that the masses are uneducated and have an average IQ of 72 when they sit behind the wheel of a car.... so really, compare apples with apples. They should rather focus on getting the vehicles which are not roadworthy off the streets and impounding vehicles of drivers who drive like idiots (mainly taxi's). Speed is not the killer, reckless driving is.

      klippies.coke.7 - 2012-09-04 11:18

      Come on! This is just another way to make money. Almost no one will be able to keep to the speed limit unless they are driving a wagon with oxen.

      klippies.coke.7 - 2012-09-04 11:19

      Please email your comments to the address provided in the article.

      henrivdm - 2012-09-04 11:22

      @Bertverlinde I absolutely agree. In Residential areas in most European cities you simply drive at 40 max. Pedestrians, children and cyclists feel much safer as a result. Since having my own children speeding in urban and suburban areas has become a pet hate of mine. When I was my kids' age I was out and about on a bike. That is now simply impossible due to most motorist's insistence on charging down any tiny road at 60.

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-09-04 11:38

      @Lila, which is more reason to reduce the speed limit

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-04 11:43

      A reduction in speed probably won't do much. People driving HABITS need to change. Those people that jump red lights, stop street, drive recklessly and without regard to other drivers, and people that talk/text on the phone while driving. If a person is texting while driving, then going 10km/h slower isn't going to make much of a difference.

      Bertverlinde - 2012-09-04 11:43

      @Lilaheart: I am comparing cars with cars, accident with accident. a car crash at 60km/h in SA will do the same damage at 60km/h in Europe. And seeing that you point out the lower IQ and quality of cars in SA, the speed limit should hence be even lower than here than in Europe!

      george.slade.161 - 2012-09-04 11:53

      If I have to drive at 50kmph , I will do it reverse !!! Its simply too slow.

      claudia.meads - 2012-09-04 12:27

      Lowering the speed limits in the WC is idiocy beyond comprehension. It will lower an already pathetic productivity - as everything will take even longer and congestion will become worse (as traffic takes longer to clear). The economic impact will be massive - the province cannot afford it. The real issue is revenue: South Africans abide by the current laws (and those who do not will break any speeding law irrespective) so the revenue is drying up. Speed is not the cause - eg, In Germany significant stretches of the Autobahn do not have speed limits. Some vehicles travel at very high speeds - some in excess of 200 mph/320kph But, the average speed for most vehicles is around 80 mph/128kph, about 10 mph faster than traffic in the U.S. on comparable highways. But, here's the clincher, the fatality rate on the German Autobahn is LOWER than the fatality rate on rural Interstates in the United States. The fundamental issue in SA = CORRUPTION. Corruption at all levels. It starts with the issuing of driver's licences - 75% of South Africans should not even be driving on a public road - notably truck drivers, bus drivers and taxi drivers. Until this matter is resolved you can reduce the speed limit to 1 kph and it will still be dangerous. Apart from unroadworthy- and overloaded vehicles, the lack of effective law-enforcement is pivotal. SA's traffic authorities are wholly incapable of addressing moving violations - btw accidents tend to happen while vehicles move, so go figure

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-04 14:55

      I agree with Claudia, a 10km/h speed drop won't do anything - except of course all the tax money used to change all the road signs. Taxi's will still overtake on the left yellow lines, speed, stop in the middle of the road, tail-gate and cut cars off. In my suburb almost everyone treats stop signs as yield signs, every day I see at least 2 cars go through a red light when it's green for me already - in fact I see cops doing it too, and I've never seen a cop pull someone over for running a light or stop street. 50km/h in a suburb won't change the fact that people still drive 80km/h. Get effective policing instead, or give me as a citizen the right to pull someone over!

      barry.moyle.3 - 2012-09-04 17:52

      Don't change the rules, get off your fat bums and enforce the laws that are in place. Moving violations, not stopping at a stop street, goinjg through a traffic light when red, drunken driving, using cell phones when driving get the hoards of unlicensed drivers off the roads. Get people educated in school programs, make the processes to get a license more efficient and effective, make the effort and there will be results. Changing the rules is the lazy way to say you are doing something = COP OUT by the SLAAPSTAD authorities.

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-09-04 20:11

      SLAAPSTAD NONSENS.

      mofstok - 2012-09-04 21:07

      The DA has just lost my vote.

      TSR01 - 2012-09-04 23:20

      Submitted remarks opposing the change with the following: ----------------- I hereby wish to submit my formal complete disagreement for the proposed blanket speed limit reduction of 10km/h. The following are my reasons why I do not support the change: * Traffic light timings are set to accommodate traffic flows at the current speed limits across the Western Cape. Any adjustments in the flows of traffic will tip the timings balance and cause an increase in traffic delays by uncoordinated traffic light signals. * Traffic as a whole will be more congested, as longer time spent on any roads during peak hour traffic will ensure that traffic delays of any variety persist far longer, as it takes 10km/h longer for vehicles to vacate the immediate area. * Cars which have operated under the standard speeds of 60km/h, 80km/h, 100km/h, and 120km/h have fixed patterns of component wearing from a standard rate of degradation between acceleration and maintaining said speeds. Any drastic adjustments to the components in their acceleration and maintained driving speeds will cause numerous mechanical damages and strain on the components of the car's engine / clutch / gearbox / cylinders / pistons. I therefore request on behalf of myself and all other petitioning individuals or organizations to earnestly consider the potential damages, costs and loss to the economy (and cost to citizens) of adjusting the current speed limits, higher or lower. ----------------- Don't ruin the province!!

  • minxang.wang - 2012-09-04 10:01

    The problem is enforcement and visibilty of traffic officers and not speed. The city wants more revenue from fines.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:24

      No, they trying to save lives, if you do not have a better solution, then as DJ Fresh says, shut the F up.

      ianmichaelcalder - 2012-09-04 10:38

      How do you have better enforcement and more traffic officers? They cost money. Fines generate money. Fines pay for upgrades on highways, filling potholes, patrol bikes, etc etc. PointBlank is right - If you have a better solution, we are all ears. If you don't, rather shut it. PS. If speed isnt the problem, what speed is actually reasonable then. My car can cruise at 200km/h without any issue, should we make the speed limit 200km/h? No, because other older cars can't safely cruise at this speed. An taxi certainly can't (even if they try their best all the time is seems).

      hendri.schoeman - 2012-09-04 10:46

      @richard.hipkin I believe he did in fact give you the solution -> "The problem is enforcement and visibilty of traffic officers and not speed." Sort out visibility and enforcement. That's the solution. So how about YOU shut the f up! 50 vs 60 will make next to zero difference. It will only agitate drivers more.

      ianmichaelcalder - 2012-09-04 11:05

      hendri.schoeman - Who is going to pay for the improvement of these services? How do you sort it out? If you have the answers, join the traffic department and fix it. You can thumbs me down all you like, but the fact is, you are BRILLIANT at stating the problem, but I don't see any actual complete solutions.

      chris.shield - 2012-09-04 11:46

      @ianmichaelcalder, the point is that fines are meant to serve as a deterent NOT an income stream. The whole reason we have speed traps on slightdownhills catching ppl doing 72 in a 60 zone is that municipalities are using fines for income. ALL fine money should be ringfenced and used to pay for the RAF or something similar. Municipalities should have no access to it!

      ebon.geist - 2012-09-04 11:59

      @ianmichaelcalder: Traffic fines should NEVER be considered a revenue stream, any more than punishing a child should be considered adult entertainment. The objective of traffic fines is and should only be a deterrent to breaking traffic laws. This is one of the biggest problems with the IDIOTS running our traffic departments - they have lost sight of what they are actually there for, namely to SERVE and PROTECT people. Somehow they have come to this warped, twisted idea that extortion is ok. Yes, policing costs money. But so too does every traffic accident. It costs the state money to man ambulances, and hospitilise victims, and pay out money from the RAF, and fix destroyed infrastructure (traffic lights, street lamps broken). Insurance companies fork out billions every year to pay for repairs to damaged vehicles. If you budget more money to traffic law enforcements, you will save money in other areas of the budget. People will also be more productive due to less lost time due to injury/death and spend less money on insurance, healthcare etc etc. In short the economy will have more money to spare which can be collected through taxes if needed. When the fools in charge of traffic policing start viewing fines as a revenue stream, they stop thinking about solving the problems of lawlessness, and start focussing on making that revenue stream sustainable, and if you stop to think about that logically for a second, it means they acutally want people to break to the law.

      ebon.geist - 2012-09-04 12:09

      @pointblank: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don't question the fact that somewhere along the way there are people who want to save lives and this is their motivation, but they are delusional in their belief that by changing the laws, that somehow the problem will just solve itself. The fact is that this country has an inept, ineffectual, incompetent and generally corrupt traffic law enforcement agency. The sooner that admit this, the sooner they can address it. If people ignore current legislation regarding: Speed, Drunken Driving, Tailgating, Keeping Left on the highway, Roadworthy Vehicles, Indicating when turning or changing lanes, Stopping at red traffic lights and stop signs, Misuse of Fog and/or parking lights, Cell phone use while driving, Using seatbelts (especially with kids), etc etc etc, WTF makes you think they will pay any attention whatsoever to a bunch of new laws hmm? I see infringements like I mentioned above, literally hundreds of times DAILY. Yet the traffic police ignore it. If you aren't going to bother to enforce laws, WTF is the point in bothering to make them in the first place. This is not rocket science. It is basic logic. I try to stick to the laws of the road as much as I can (and I get it mostly right, certainly moreso than 95%+ of other drivers) and I will stick to their new rules, BUT I do not for one second believe that most other drivers will bother, and as a result I do not believe that these new laws will work at all

      ianmichaelcalder - 2012-09-04 12:26

      Ebon - I don't think anyone has alleged that this is a silver bullet. And I agree completely that speed on its own isn't the largest contributor to road accidents. And I actually agree that using money for fines to pay for more traffic cops is short sighted and can't be the long term solution. Because quiet simply, if you get visible policing and enforcement up, and infringements go down, you can't pay for the staff anymore, and so it would continue. But right now, what you are asking for is a national budget to be allocated to a municipal incentive. But if you agree that speeding is a problem, then whats 10km/h going to do? I certainly won't notice while I'm doing 25km/h in the bumper to bumper on my way to work and back. But a pedestrian getting hit at 50km/h versus 60km/h could be lifesaving. The breaking distance is lower, the reaction times needed are lower. Lastly, you are right, people do ignore many of the road rules. But for many of us, speeding is the one that we don't completely ignore, as there is a repercussion for it. If you received a fine every time you drove past a camera while on your cellphone, or without your seatbelt, you'd see a lot more people actually complying.

      ebon.geist - 2012-09-04 14:04

      @Ian: "what you are asking for is a national budget to be allocated to a municipal incentive" Yes I am. This IS a national problem. The costs of our high accident level affect us at a national level. Ergo government should be allocating some resources to addressing this. "But if you agree that speeding is a problem, then whats 10km/h going to do? I certainly won't notice while I'm doing 25km/h in the bumper to bumper on my way to work and back. But a pedestrian getting hit at 50km/h versus 60km/h could be lifesaving." I am not arguing the semantics of what the speed limit should, or shouldn't be. What I am saying is that as long as the current laws (not just speed) aren't enforced, making new laws is not going to solve anything. "people do ignore many of the road rules. But for many of us, speeding is the one that we don't completely ignore, as there is a repercussion for it. If you received a fine every time you drove past a camera while on your cellphone, or without your seatbelt, you'd see a lot more people actually complying." Assuming you are correct, wouldn't an implication of this observation be that maybe cops need to focus effort on something other than speed? That people ignoring all the other road rules is causing a lot of accidents? Either way it doesn't really support the argument for lowering of speed limits, it simply reinforces the fact that if they want to lower our road fatality rate, cops need to focus on enforcing all existing road rules.

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-09-04 10:02

    All this will do is get more money into the city coffers. they are after money from fines, not increased safety. The proof to what I say is in the non-existent enforcing of current laws (any law, including speed limits) on Taxis and the terrible way in which most (if not all) law-enforcing and traffic officers drive.

      charles.stjthomson - 2012-09-05 07:07

      Changing the speed limit is not going to change driver behaviour. It will, however, make for more of a "police state". Bad news that this is lumped together with limits to the blue light brigade - or was it on purpose, to minimise objections?

  • neil.ross.5473 - 2012-09-04 10:04

    I go to Cape Town every Xmas. During that traffic snarl-up I don't think I, or anyone else, ever manages to drive above 30km/h. And that's the guys from Jo'burg. The Capetonians seem too laid-back to even bother driving above 20km/h. Maybe they should increase the speed limit to 80km/h then maybe we could just nudge the magic 50km/h mark.

      gerhard.debruijn - 2012-09-04 10:18

      P*ss off and stay in Joburg this year. We do not need you here. You Vaalies complian about Cape Town the whole time, but every year you come back here. If it is such a sh*tty place, please stay at home then!

      gerhard.debruijn - 2012-09-04 10:18

      P*ss off and stay in Joburg this year. We do not need you here. You Vaalies complian about Cape Town the whole time, but every year you come back here. If it is such a sh*tty place, please stay at home then!

      customdesign - 2012-09-04 10:38

      /|\ Captain Hyper-sensitive

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-09-04 11:44

      gerhard hahahahaaha

      neville.geustyn - 2012-09-04 17:16

      Neil Ross, please, please stay the hell in Jo'burg this year and tell all your pals to stay there as well so that we can enjoy our city without you snarling up our roads. If we are so layed back etc, what are you doing in our beautiful city, it's because you come from a mine dump with dust all year around and vehicle pollution etc, stay away please.

  • roarscurrin - 2012-09-04 10:06

    This just means more people will be "speeding" in the laws eyes cause no one is going to drop their speeds for this. They need to get rid of corrupt cops and start in forcing the laws that they have instead of just changing them. Laziness in the paperwork department is to blame, and corruption!

  • mark.d.barnard - 2012-09-04 10:07

    Speed in and of itself isn't the problem, most often. It's an exacerbating factor.\r\n\r\nI can agree with a lower limit in urban areas, no problem-it gives me as a driver more time to think, observe and make decisions: if a child runs out in front of me, I have a little extra time to brake, look for space, and so on. I don't see as much sense in dropping the limit on the freeways. \r\n\r\nI'd be interested to see the stats on causes of accidents-I'm fairly sure speed is NOT one of the leading factors-rather, non-use of indicators, unroadworthiness, illegal manoeuvres and idiot driving (PEBSASW error-Problem Exists Between Seat And Steering Wheel) seem more likely. Speed just makes any collisions worse.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:27

      Actually speed is one of the major contributing factors to accidents on freeways. Studies have also shown that a driver stand a much better chance of surviving a crash at 110 then 120km/h - Let me look around for that study, it's some where on the Intraweb..

      ebon.geist - 2012-09-04 12:27

      @Pointblank: Of course speed is a major factor. The point you seem to miss is that value of the speed limit itself is actually irrelevant. The simple fact is that people ignore current speed limits, and until this stops, it is nigh impossible to accurately guage how changing that speed limit is going to affect the system. Is the problem on our roads genuinely with people sticking to 60 in 60 zones? Or is it people doing 80-120 in those zones? I am inclined to believe, based on my daily experience, that it is the latter. Sure, lowering the speed limit will probably lower the speed at which people travel. People doing 100 in 60 zones will probably slow down to 90. People doing 180 on the freeway will probably slow down to 170. But the stupidity, cynicism and outright laziness of this approach boggles the mind. If you want people to travel at 60, then enforce a 60 speed limit. Don't make the speed limit 30 and then just hope they'll naturally migrate to 60. It really is very, very simple. Start enforcing the laws we have. That is our biggest problem. If we lived in a country where people mostly obeyed the laws, but we still had unacceptably high levels of road accidents, injuries and deaths, then I would wholeheartedly agree that it is time to look at the laws again. But as things currently stand we can't even get that right, but we'll happily waste our time and energy making new laws that will never get enforced.

  • miquette.caalsen - 2012-09-04 10:08

    Argh! Another blame shifter. The problem is NOT speed. The problem is people ignoring the traffic rules. A car ignoring a red light is still going to crash into you at 50 km/h. A car that hits a cyclist at 50 km/h can still kill the cyclist since it is rarely the impact with the car the causes death, but the way and area in which the cyclist falls. Children that run in front of a car will still be hit by said car. The damage may be less with a slower speed, but that will still depend on whether the driver was paying attention to the road and doesn't end up dragging the child. And hang on, but HOW are they planning on stopping taxis from jumping red lights, pretending stop streets are only for other motorists. Why is it that in the countries where speed is either not limited or not as severely limited, there isn't more death? There are in fact less accidents and death. Oh and hang on, while I'm ranting, what about this passenger seatbelt rule? On my favourite topic of taxi road-hogs, this would then technically mean that all passengers in a taxi needs to wear safety belts. So no more overloading ... ok that can work. But I tell you what, you get all taxis to just obey the rules of the road, and all the passengers to wear seat belts and only one seatbelt to a passenger, then I'll slow down. Deal?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:28

      Pure speculation.

  • klaas.waarzegger.7 - 2012-09-04 10:09

    "Bicycle Riders" should take to the mountains. Like the "blue lights part though.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:29

      Chop.

  • trudy.riet - 2012-09-04 10:09

    might as well give up my car and start using a bicycle

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:30

      Shame, might get rid of those saddle bags though.

  • jocelia.petrick - 2012-09-04 10:12

    Idiots! Speed is not the problem! Drunk drivers, Drugged drivers and people not obeying the rules are the biggest problem. They are soooo narrow minded! Idiots!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:30

      Really? Do you have any official stats to back that up?

      ebon.geist - 2012-09-04 14:14

      I think it is a bit naive to believe that speeding is not a problem in our country. In fact I am highly confident that if everyone drove a bit slower it would reduce the fatality rate on our roads. But as I have already pointed out, this does not necessarily mean that the problem lies with the speed limits themselves so much as people ignoring those speed limits. Furthermore, pretending that by lowering the speed limit, we would solve the problem of road fatalities entirely is even more naive. I am pretty confident that if the traffic authorities could improve compliance with ALL our existing traffic laws (including speed limits, which I do not believe are well adhered to) then we would see a significant difference on our roads. If and when we, as a country, ever get to that point, then might be a good time to start examining our laws and whether existing speed limits are appropriate.

  • marc.grondein - 2012-09-04 10:13

    Need to also check all garages tyre air equipment,Most people are driving around with wrong tyre pressure due to bad equipment and human error.This is leading to many accidents,deaths on our roads. Also cheap tyres sold retreads should be banned.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:30

      That is another matter entirely.

  • brett.noble.39 - 2012-09-04 10:15

    speeding is not the main reason why people die on the roads... people who drive and are totally unaware of whats going on around them are far more dangerous than someone doing 130 in a 120 zone, or 70 in a 60 zone.. people who refuse to move out of the fast lane are moving roadbloacks and are also more dangerous.. never mind the people in the cape who dont know how to use their indicators!!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:31

      Produce stats. You merely speculating and pulling nonsense out Uranus ..

  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-09-04 10:15

    Now all we need is for the DA to run Gauteng...

  • aaron.radebe.1 - 2012-09-04 10:17

    Seriously? Capetonians already waft around at 60km/h on 120km/h highways. Why on earth must we drive even slower there? If there was one city in SA where I'd definitely say speeding was the least of the problems it would be Slaapstad. And, by the way, how much will it cost to change every single speed limit sign in the province?

      andre.vanderwesthuizen.96 - 2012-09-04 11:10

      aaron. you know i have been a Capetonian my whole life, nowadays i see more and more GP no plates in and around Cape town,now when you talk about slow,on the wrong side of the road,driving slow in the fast lane etc, it is the GP CARS.

  • fakazikagiso.ndlovu - 2012-09-04 10:18

    The Blue lights ban is long overdue. The other measures are contentious and although well meaning are unlikely to have an effect on the number of road accidents.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:32

      Speculation.

      derek.swart.98 - 2012-09-04 11:33

      @Pointblank What is speculation is that a reduction of 10km/h will result in less accidents.

      ebon.geist - 2012-09-04 14:20

      Well said derek. PointBlank: The effect of changing/enforcing any laws is pure speculation. What is not speculation is the fact that in SA, compliance with traffic regulations is a lot worse than it is in a country like Australia or the UK. Having visited those countries I was astounded at the difference that is very noticable. What is also not speculation is the fact that those countries have significantly fewer accidents on their roads. Logic would dictate that the probability of better compliance with the law resulting in fewer road accidents and fatilities is high. So again: Get our authorities to start enforcing existing laws, then maybe start speculating about what laws should be amended in the future.

  • roarscurrin - 2012-09-04 10:18

    email address doesn't work...

      carolyn.dewrance - 2012-09-04 11:11

      I just emailed them it does work

  • clifford.smith.za - 2012-09-04 10:18

    All this is good and well, but who is going to foot the bill when it comes to changing all the road signs? I guess nobody thought of that cost yet, so it will be us poor tax and rate payers doing so.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:33

      Dude, the cost of replacing speed limit signs is no where near what you pay for clearing accident sites from two speeding vehicles.

      pgkrause - 2012-09-05 04:15

      Point Blank: do you honestly think that reducing the speed limit by 10km/h is going to have any noticeable influence on the number of accidents on our roads?? And do you seriously consider the current speed limits to be excessive?? If not, than you're nothing but an attention seeking tw@t...

  • jurgen.eksteen - 2012-09-04 10:19

    Noooooooooooooooo!!! They just slowed down time by 10km/h!!

  • malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-04 10:19

    Argh - completely missing the point - starting to look like the DA also really don't have a clue.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:33

      How?

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-04 10:49

      Driving at 120 is not what causes "accidents". "Accidents" are caused by negligent and impatient drivers who tail gate, absent minded and unfocused people who change lanes without looking, trucks who are driving in places they shouldn't be at times they shouldn't be, poorly maintained roads and falling apart illegal vehicles. There is absolutely no valid study (if you claim otherwise please produce) that shows that lowering of highway speed limits will result in a lower "accident" rate. A move like this is either: 1) An attempt to be seen to be doing something while not actually doing anything, because actually doing anything is hard while merely being seen to be trying is easy. 2) An attempt to make more money from speeding fines. 3) Completely misguided and done without any proper thought. 4) A combination of both of the above. And is relying solely on playing with the emotions of stupid "do-gooders" who think it would help, it smacks of "oh won't someone please think of the children!!" mentality. Regardless of which of these it is it is utterly reprehensible and should be treated with the utter contempt it deserves. I notice that you have replied to almost every single comment on this thread, you have hurled out insults yet you have not stated ONE fact of any kind or added any value whatsoever to the conversation. Why is it that you are replying so much, what is your vested interest, please do tell.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-04 10:52

      I would like to add that lowering the highway speed limit, will likely result in more late and angry people, who will tailgate more and pull more dodgy maneuvers in a misguided attempt to make back lost time. This will lead to an increase in "accidents" the exact opposite of what this law claims to be trying to do. Unintended consequences can be a real pain sometimes, this is why it is important to actually think things through and not make emotional knee-jerk decisions. Law makers can and should do better than this.

      joe.soapie.73 - 2012-09-04 13:35

      // There is absolutely no valid study (if you claim otherwise please produce) that shows that lowering of highway speed limits will result in a lower "accident" rate. // Research was conducted between two areas in a US state. On one area, they removed speed limits entirely, on the other they left (and sometimes lowered) speed limits. The research shows that the first area (with no speed limit) actually had a reduction in car accidents than the second area. Further studies show that people drive at speeds that they are naturally comfortable driving at; by enforcing speed limits one is actually effecting others negatively.

  • mike.dufham.7 - 2012-09-04 10:20

    Speed is not the problem. Stupid drivers are

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:33

      Stupid drivers speed..

      linda.c.vanbruggen - 2012-09-04 11:45

      I cannot agree more!

      jacques.stander - 2012-09-04 13:52

      I cannot agree more with Mike !! It's not speed that kills! 120 on open highway - no problem. 120 in town - big problem.they public and Richard hipkin aka pointblank has been brainwashed to belief speed is the big killer - its how the gov make lots of money. By neglecting basic safety inforcement on the road - but that 2 hard work. Sitting behind a camara in a bush is much easier work :-)

  • retief.devilliers - 2012-09-04 10:20

    Please take note that the e-mail address in the link above is wrong (done on purpose, perhaps?). It should be malcolm.watters@westerncape.gov.za and not malcolm.watters@westerncape.co.za

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:33

      on purpose?? Hahahaha... Yeah and America bombed their own towers.

      andre.vanderwesthuizen.96 - 2012-09-04 11:14

      POINT W.T.F.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-09-04 11:32

      Thanks. Just resend my mail to this address as well.

      eddie.beavis - 2012-09-04 11:33

      Thanks Retief, I have retried sending my email,I for one cannot believe that that old party hack Carlisle even did any research on the subject, this is his knee jerk reaction to the high profile accidents we have had lately, it is obviously going to be political suicide for him to actually take note of the publics sensible comments about proper law enforcement published here, in the long run all they care about is their jobs, as it is highly unlikely they would get one in the real world!!

  • bwheel - 2012-09-04 10:21

    Strange. In most developed countries, they are looking at speed limit INCREASES to improve congestion, traffic movement, and decrease pollution. I agree with around certain areas, schools and the like, but this is just a move to make more money from speeding fines (and only law abiding citizens pay those anyway...). The problem in South Africa is driver education, and vehicle roadworthiness. Start looking at that FIRST if you want to reduce traffic fatalities. Can't wait to see the taxi blockades complaining about this, and how quickly they are excluded from these speed limits.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:34

      Really? Which countries? I was in the UK in 2010 and they had just dropped their limits..

  • werner.stipp.3 - 2012-09-04 10:21

    In 1970 when you drove a car at 100km/h you would know about it. Today the cars are much safer and built to handle speed without compromising safety if you compare it with back in the day. I think they should rather up the speed limit by 10 or 20 than drop it. We should have rules like the autobahn. They nab you for following distance, not speed. They are very strict!

      jc.burger.3 - 2012-09-04 11:56

      @Werner: In 1970 the limit was 90km/h. It was only the eighties, under transport minister Hendrik Schoeman, that it changed to 120km/h and then 120km/h...

      sharron.forsyth - 2012-09-04 18:41

      For all those Autobahn lovers out there. German autobahns have no general speed limit, but the advisory speed limit (Richtgeschwindigkeit) is 130 kilometres per hour (81 mph). If a driver was to be involved in an accident at a high speed then that driver will be prosecuted for dangerous driving. I have lived and worked in Germany and the built up area speed limit is 30kph with it dropping to 20 outside a schools. Speed does kill and so do dangerous drivers. Put 2 of them together and you get taxi drivers. SA has a long way to go before they can get road safety under control. In my personal experience of living and working in Europe for the last 20 years then taking to a SA road in 2009 nearly had me in tears when i was run off the road by a Bus trying to overtake, then undertake then forcing me off the road, i might add that I was doing the speed limit so dear Bus driver was Speeding and im sure that bus would have killed me if i had not been forced from the road.

  • Richard.Poulton - 2012-09-04 10:23

    I think this is good. People are moaning about the city wanting to scam more fines, but that's up to you. Don't speed dummy. Leave 5 or 7 minutes earlier and you will be at your destination at the same time. Plus, this is going to save fuel in the long run which we know with tonight's increase is going to be the chocolate mousse after a good meal.

      ebon.geist - 2012-09-04 17:34

      So let me get this straight: I need to leave 7 minutes earlier each day to get to work, and leave 7 minutes earlier each day to go home. This just for work, not to mention every other trip I have to take. So I must sacrifice 2 hours of my life every week - which over a 60 years of driving (and being a passenger) will cost me 6000 hours of my life - or 8 months of my life. Statistically about 1 in 100 people in SA die on our roads. With a life expectancy of 66 years, and considering that car accidents on average would take away half that life expectancy, people lose, on average 4 months of their life to motor accidents. Even if this speed limit adjustment results in a 50% reduction in accident fatalities (and I honestly believe that is crazily optimistic) on average we'd each be 6 months better off by keeping the speed limit as it is. Also from a fuel saving perspective: When people drive slower, the roads' capacity to move traffic is reduced. Which results in more traffic jams. Which results in worse fuel consumption. These are interesting arguments, but if not well thought, might not actually be nearly as beneficial as made out.

  • frans.vanderpoll - 2012-09-04 10:23

    At that speed I'll get a fine riding my bicycle!

  • jc.smit - 2012-09-04 10:24

    Can't help but feel that this is just a money making scheme... Speeding isn't the problem, there are a lot of bigger issues. People with licenses that can't drive, either because they bought it or because our testing doesn't teach drivers real-world knowledge regarding driving. Cars driving around that isn't road-worthy, drunk drivers and pedestriants, basic knowledge and commin-sense around and on our roads... Sometimes I drive and think to myself why did they even bother making sidewalks, people just walk in the roads with the backs towards traffic. Decreasing the speed-limit isn't the answer, it comes to education once again.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:35

      Speeding IS a problem.

      jacques.stander - 2012-09-04 11:38

      @pointblank ......you have a lot to say today !!!

      ebon.geist - 2012-09-04 15:13

      Actually PointBlank does not have a lot to say. He has done very little to substantiate his one statement with any kind of reason or logic. I reckon he spent more time clicking dislike on any comment that disagrees with him than actually thinking about the subject matter at hand.

  • gordon.turner.37 - 2012-09-04 10:25

    on the M5 on Sunday, a small kid (3 or4) climbed out the back sliding window of a beat up bakkie (80km/h), walked across the flat bed, leaned over the edge and closed the petrol flap. He then walked back and climbed back in the window to join his younger brother standing on the front seat.

  • troffel - 2012-09-04 10:25

    Will this apply to taxi's?

      iYesssss - 2012-09-04 13:30

      No law applies to taxi's.

  • sbu.mahwai - 2012-09-04 10:26

    50km/h this is ridiculous, ok lets all get bicycles then

  • gerrit.vanbreda1 - 2012-09-04 10:26

    Hulle is mal!!

  • ben.louw.5 - 2012-09-04 10:26

    This is BS. Some lazy bastard at the top needs to look as if he's doing something. Now this is what he pulls out instead of a better solution. Please...and why only WP? We're not the ones with the highest road death toll. Robin Carlisle is a moron.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:36

      What are your suggestions then? Do you have any? No? Yes?

      andre.vanderwesthuizen.96 - 2012-09-04 11:19

      ROBIN MUST BE OLDER THAN 80 YEARS

  • JNaMolefe - 2012-09-04 10:27

    I hate driving so slow, eish.

  • louis.jordaan.1804 - 2012-09-04 10:31

    Another bad idea by our wannabe Ape Town councilors. We are already only averaging 30km/h on daily travels and now it will only get worse. As for the moaning valies, shut up and stay home, we don't need "kyk da's" here.The problem in Cape Town is not speeding, but stupidity and unqualified morons who do not even belong behind the steering wheel of a Dinky toy. I was watching kids play with their toy cars and all they would try to do is crash them. Sans advert for insurance on TV. What type of education does that give them. On TV the "victims" die, only to re-appear in the next movie or show. Same goes for crime, one day a crook and drug dealer, the next a president or good guy. Educate, educate........

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:36

      So if you averaging 30km/h why are you moaning about the speed limit being dropped to 50km/h when you not even reaching that!! Eish, logic, not there for you.

      louis.jordaan.1804 - 2012-09-04 16:41

      @PointBlank. Eish, your logic not anywhere! You're supposed to go slow in LH lane and not RH. Check the traffic everyday. Wrong bus and taxi lanes as well. The busses and taxis weave in and out to get to the centre lane without care for anybody. My general assesment is that people are supposed to know where they work or are going to. In Cape Town it seems nobody knows where they are staying, going or working. And don't come with that GPS nonsense. I know people who uses them and still gets lost because of incorrect information.13 years ago I moved to the Helderberg basin and it was a pleasure using the roads. Now with all the GP, EC,FS and MP number plates down here and some folks deciding its ok to come and stuff up and overpopulate the Cape, it is no longer worth going anywhere unless you are on prozac or very strog calming medication.

  • richardbauer87 - 2012-09-04 10:31

    Rather focus on getting rid of the unroadworthy vehicles and driver's without a license. This is ridiculous!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-04 10:37

      Different matter entirely.

      rontheogre - 2012-09-04 10:51

      But still part of the problem as a whole.

  • peter.gugelmin - 2012-09-04 10:34

    Great idea, then after year we can compare the death toll figures and find they are still the same, if not higher and give the other provinces ammo never to reduce speed limits

  • Thermophage - 2012-09-04 10:34

    What a load of complete BS...Maybe in town and around high pedestrian areas for sure...But on the freeway not a chance. Already 120 km/hr is too slow to be honest. And if you crash at 110 or 120 wtf difference is it going to make? You're STILL going to splat the pedestrian!

  • robin.stobbs.9 - 2012-09-04 10:35

    A brave and long awaited move. Now let's see law enforcement keep up with these promises.

      eddie.beavis - 2012-09-04 11:36

      You, my friend, have a better chance of falling pregant!!

  • harrisralph - 2012-09-04 10:37

    That email address is incorrect!! Idiots...

  • faizieishlah.shabalala - 2012-09-04 10:37

    The Republic of the WC is alive, and I hope well

  • harrisralph - 2012-09-04 10:41

    Correct email address: malcolm.watters@pgwc.gov.za / mwatters@pgwc.gov.za

  • ashraaf.fakier - 2012-09-04 10:42

    I truely believe that the Western Cape Government's focus is on the wrong area. The cars today are much better than the old days and 60Kph is already slow. the problem is not the speed, the problem is lack of policing. Have you ever observed how our traffic police sit in their cars on the side of the road, it's too much of an effort to chase an offender or write out a fine because they will either be late for lunch or late to go home. They are the laziest bunch I have ever observed. I don't think they know the law. I was driving behind one of them when I observed cars parking on bridges on bends illegally but did he stop, no it's to much of an inconvenience. I am sure if there were more visisble policing we would have safer roads, like the cops of old.

  • tiaan.truter - 2012-09-04 10:51

    Miskien moet julle iets an die Taxi's doen...Ma ek is okay met die 10km/h verlaag van die spoed limit,gan moeilik wees om 50km/h te ry...ma ja.

  • MegaTesla - 2012-09-04 10:51

    Fine pedestrians walking in the emergency (yellow) lane. That should bring the total number of pedestrian deaths down considerably.

      eddie.beavis - 2012-09-04 11:37

      Fat chance of that!! politically incorrect and would involve a degree of proper traffic policing!!!

  • vanrooyend - 2012-09-04 10:53

    A reduction in the speed limit will mean the accidents happen at 10km/h less. 1. It is morons that should not be driving causing accidents. 2. No law enforcement. We have become a lawless nation. Drive over stopstreets, over speed limit, last car to drive over red light, etc etc. If the attitude of drivers do not change, a speed reduction will have no effect

  • rontheogre - 2012-09-04 10:56

    And please teach people how to drive when the roads are wet as driving skill seems to be water soluble.

      klipkop.degroote - 2012-09-04 10:59

      And teach capetonians how to indicate in traffic circles. Indicating RIGHT in a circle means nothing!!!!!!!!! You can only indicate LEFT in a circle meaning you are exciting the circle. No indicator means going around till you indicate LEFT.

  • khathu.rasi - 2012-09-04 10:57

    Ayeye Kaapsatad ayeyee!!! Strict rules indeed, thank God i live in Limpopo wher m free like a fish in the water, when m hungry i go to the bush and get food i dont need to drive and no fines fo walking

      eddie.beavis - 2012-09-04 11:43

      We will send you Bra Carlisle to stuff up your paradise!!

  • syd.harling - 2012-09-04 10:59

    pointblank you don't want to just survive the crash - you don't want to have the crash in the first place. Driving slower won't help if you still drive like an idiot.

  • ralph.roman.35 - 2012-09-04 11:02

    I really fail to understand how a drop of 10kmph on the highways will drop the accident rate, I mean just imagine driving 110 instead of 120 down the N2 to Mbay? no it does not make sense it will be frustrating and frustrations cause accidents...proven over and over

      robin.stobbs.9 - 2012-09-04 11:11

      Yeah? You ever tried driving in Australia?

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-09-04 11:04

    Who thought of this??? Automatic gear boxes change @ 60kmh to the top gear

  • jacques.stander - 2012-09-04 11:04

    Yeah !!! 10km is going to change everything !! You believe that ? Your stupid. :-(