What an awesome car! |
I agree with you "Shark".I drive an OPC myself and you can compare all these hot hatches with one another.The Gti VI might be an all-round good performer but nothing compares to the brute out-of turn power and excillerating straight-line speed of the OPC.It's a car that makes you feel alive and it has the meanest looking Recaros of all.We can debate all year about these exciting hot hatches,but if you don't drive one yourself shut the @#$% up!! |
ok, so this is off-topic, but related. if i was considering buying the ST... besides the obvious (3 doors vs 5 doors) what' the difference between the ST 3-door and 5-door? any performance differences? size of the car, weight perhaps? Apologies for posting off-topic but could not find relevant thread. |
Shark: If the OPC is so much faster why do they get pouding in the stannic group N? Just a question....Sure in a staright line but if the power is not fully usable then there is no purpose in having the power!!!!! |
I just bought the GTI 6 it is an amazing car. I had the 5 and the 6 is a big improvement on power and speed. Drive one then comment |
I'd rather spend my money on a Renault Megane R26 which costs R304k, and you get better performance and better handling. And it looks more wicked than the GTi. Did I mention the Megane is THE hot hatch again compared to the GTi 6, Subaru WRX and the Focus ST in Cars in Action August 2009? Truth is, the 6 is not as impressive as we all hoped for. It's beaten again by the French rival... |
Those rear tail lights look like 2 red eyes full of tears... It's crying for a proper facelift... Come on VW what were you thinking? |
Rather buy a Volvo C30 T5!!! |
gti vi is the most beautiful car and m sure it wil b the car of the year |
if yu are intelligent enough you would make your own GTI VI by just replacing the old/tired mags. saw a Golf V in Menlyn with black/red 19" mags....that is the best looking GV i've ever seen.Just try those on the G 6, you will stand out from the crowd. |
jeeze VW. when the golf 5 came out i thought WOW, then the polo GTI came out & i thought...well i didnt think cos its crap, then the long awaited GTI VI came out...and i thought...opel? |
Well Said Anonymous :-) |
Mmmm. Maybe its a numbers thing but Golf VI and Golf 3 seem to have both been half baked in the same slow cooking sector of VW. A GTi will always be a great car, but c'mon, this is like giving a supermodel a bad face lift, a boob reduction, and then sending her onto the catwalk in last season's gear. Shameful VW! |
Testdrove both the ST and Gti. Considered a lot of aspects of both, spoke to a LOT of people. Driving the cars, the Gti is a very relaxed performer. The ST delivers this mindblowing raw power everytime you put your foot down (and that sound!). Most of the stuff at extra cost on the Gti comes standard on the ST. Both cars very reliable and safe. But in comparison ST stands out. Ultimately bought the ST. People just love this car. Get compliments everywhere I go. Absolutely love my car. |
Inflation or not. Remember that most models with the same price come standard with most extras you have to order on the new Golf... |
G5 is much better looking. And this only pushes 8 kw more? No thank you!!!
By the way Wheels 24 are so stuck up VW'S behind its not even funny. |
Wheel24 go out of their way to sell Gti's ... |
Apparently the diesel quality isnt good enough in SA for the GTD to come here... They can bring it, but it wont have the same power as it does in europe...
I doubt if the GTI-R will have 200kw... The people in the audi marketing department will undoubtedly not be impressed if the GTI-R starts stealing S3 and TTS sales. It will probably be a detuned TTS engine. Nothing that a powerchip cant fix though :-) |
vw IS certaintly doing something right, Toyota and the likes dont even have a competitor......
It will sell well, very well so stop hating and get over the fact that VW decided to name their facelifted G5 --->g6 |
ANON 2h16 - Nothing has been confirmed as yet, but if it does come, it'll be a 200Kw AWD, pretty much the same set up as a TTS. I hope it comes, but knowing VWSA, who can tell? VW keep all the cool cars for Europe. Like the GTD that they say won't come here, but Audi had the B7 A4 2.0 TDI 125KW (LeMans), so why the GTD wont come, only they know. |
Yes, just another VW Golf! |
Still only a Golf! |
I like the new Golf, lots of soul!!! |
Has Anyone noticed that the two puny exhaust look very similar to the handles on a wheelbarrow...haha :)
Cost cutting 101 Recycle => Rebrand => Reuse |
Bring the GTD |
Hey if you think that the GTI doesnt have as much power as the OPC just wait i hear the GTI R is coming out soone. it has a bigger turbo and a whole lot of other stuff and its going to be over 160kw and under R350k. the 18" wheels are going to get a different colour on the inside. I drive a Golf 1. anyone know where i can get the Golf VI facelift for my Golf 1. |
I've seen this car on the road and pictures of the new Polo. I suspect that Volkswagen got it right with the Polo. Not so sure about the Golf... |
ANON 12h27 - You and all these other people saying that it's SO MUCH MORE expensive, need to get a life, or need to start reading up more on motoring. That R40 000 that you're speaking about is actually R3000. That's it R3K difference. The GTI 5 was R314 000, and now the 6 is R317 000. So where do you come from saying that it's R40K??? You people REALLY NEED TO WAKE UP, or don't post comments when you clearly have NO CLUE what you're talking about. Your opinions are VERY irrelevant. Go buy a CAR mag subscription, and get up to date. |
I heard there would be a Golf 6 type R20T for SA? Can some one comment please?
This is too dull for me |
For the same price range, I would rather settle for the new merc C200, looks way smarter |
Just as I always thought! the GTI price is just right (cheap). Anybody struggling to grasp paying over ZAR 300K for a VW hatch should learn to deal with it, times have changed, move on.
The car does not push any buttons for me though. It just seems a default, cheap car for people too lazy to do test drives and choose a proper driving machine. Try asking them thing like power,torque figures or which wheels propel the car, and enjoy the laughs! |
ZZZZZZ!!!!! YAWN!!!!
Sorry I fell asleep looking at the pic's & reading about this dull car..... YAWN!!! I'll skip this one and go for the Focus ST... |
Got one of the 1st DSG GTi's and am I glad they never made a complete change...I still get into everyday with a smile on my face almost five years later. The back though is a design flaw in my opinion. Untidy twin pipes. In actual fact the aftermarket twin pipe kit and rear rear bumper for the 5 makes the standard 6 kit look pathetic. Other than that I'll be keeping mine until hopefully the R32 or whatever they going to call it arrives. If it does that is. |
Decent car. U can't differentiate it with GTI V if you don't know too much about cars. Fuel consumption is good though. I wonder if it will outperform the overrated younger brother. |
this facelift is built cheaper and faster, yet costs so much more ... if you want to buy a badge, buy the 1 series or audi. Not worthy of the title "hot" hatch |
Sirus the damn virus - love your name BTW. Must say I'd put a set of 18" TT rims on this car. |
@ Robert, I must agree. As awesome as what the DSG is, I would also rather opt for the manual. The slight difference in performance, is exactly that slight. I have driven many DSG's from VW and AUDI, and the manual just feels purer. I know what you mean about not feeling involved. Though I must say that a while ago I drove a DSG that was chipped and had a performance pipe, and the damn thing barked like boerbull on every change...lovely stuff. Manual for the purist. |
nothings changed ecept for some aesthetics |
Golf 6? I think not, rather Golf 5 facelift. Definately not worth the +/- R40000 price difference. I think VW dropped the ball on this one, and their sales figures on this model will prove my point. |
Great car damn! but some can only dream... little advice cahange the rims to make it worth the price |
The new Golf GTI is an absolute pleasure to drive. Took one for a test drive last Saturday and it is fabulous!
Glad the test drive GTI had a manual gearbox, cos when I took a Golf 5 GTI DSG for a spin, I felt the drive was very 'uninvolved'. Guess I'm a purist, all the robot racers can opt for a DSG gearbox.
I'm past the boy racer days of my life, but still want a 5 door car that can safely drop the kids at school and provide some fun when I drive home with it....and looks stylish and classy too!
Ideally I would love to get a Golf 6 GTD, but VW SA reckons nobody would be interested if they import it. I emailed them 4 days ago to ask their official response on the matter, yet no response. *sigh* |
Trainsmash "Last time I checked the GTi mk6 came with 5Year/90 000km Service Plan and 3Year/120 000km Warranty STANDARD." You are right mate, but a maintenance plan is what you really want, and that is R10 000 for 0-90 000km... |
Nice facelift...
Same mags boring...(yawn)
almost same power (+5%)
Same torque...
In my opinion the G5 looks better |
To everybody complaining about the price. Think a bit, the writer has already shown the inflationary argument (thank God for this for a change) and in the hot hatch market what are you going to buy then, full sized five door? Focus ST (R308 650), A3 2.0 FSI Ambition (R313 000). Less practical three-door alternatives? R26 (R315 000), Volvo C30 T5 (R303 000), Civic Type R (R314 900). Now somebody really needs to explain to me how the GTI manual at R317 300 is horribly overpriced when it runs relevant to market, with standard XDS no less... |
Last time I checked the GTi mk6 came with 5Year/90 000km Service Plan and 3Year/120 000km Warranty STANDARD. |
Wahtever VW. Why do they need to lie about the kw in the car? 155kw never, it will be closer to 175 - 180..... Look at the new Scirocco, 147 wk and 0-100 in 6.4 tested by Car magazine.... |
I bought the new gti DSG model and have been driving it for a week. I owned the previous model and I must say their is a fast diff between the two cars. All I can say is that it is every cent worth it and a lot of improvements and wow I love it. |
Price is a bit.. a lot over the top. |
At least Golf V owners won't be in for a beating on resale as the new car is not too different. The 2nd hand car market won't suddenly be awash with Golf V because of this one |
@Adams: At least the Brakpan schooling system teaches people to give people surnames, you don't even have one Adams Nobody. At ExBoyRacer: You a girl now? |
I drive facelift focus ST and have always had tremendous respect for the GTI. The guys were a bit lazy in the design department, but there are lots of subtle differences in the way the vehicle drives. I don't think the hot hatch section has a definitive best car, most of it is down to personal preferance and most of all budget |
I am an ex memeber of a car club. We used to race anything, if not anything, even prams. No GTI standard can match a ST or an OPC. Yes, it is refined & has the power, but when it really matters it is outshone, especially against an ST. Just look at the comparissons in Speed & Sound with the modded ones. GTI's with the same mods as the ST's dont come close. Just by the way the car club was OPEL, not FORD, & we got our buts wipped everytime against the ST's... & they say OPEL vs VW is interesting. Try VW & OPEL vs FORD |
What a total rip-off and load of rubbish. Give me a SECOND-HAND 130i anyday. More style, more power, better value, better looking... |
I can hear all the OPC drivers now, still got less power than us blah blah. Who cares at least the GTi can go around corners and not understeer into the first tree it see's like the OPC would and will!!!! |
The VW GTI has always been a great little vehicle - having owned the MK1 and a MK3 my younger days. It was an affordable car that excited the senses yet was practical for the young family man - easy on the pocket and a durable performance machine.
Seems that has changed a bit and perhaps it is not as relatively affordable as it used to be. One thing I believe VW should consider with this model is a normally aspirated understressed 2l - 2.5l V6 which would rid the car of it's "fussiness" and highly strung feel the newer models have. It would also make it bullit proof while giving a more relaxed yet performance car feel drive on the open road. It's a bit of a robot racer in it's current form. Use it. Don't use it! |
As a GTi V owner, I'm glad to see the styling doesn't make my one look obsolete - I reckon the VI is a handsome evolution - although I'm really surprised the price doesn't include a motorplan - You sure about that ? As for the Opel vs VW debate, I've owned and driven both makes and they're both good cars. I still have very fond memories of my Opel and have never had any rattles from my Opel, although my GTi has one ! |
listen guys,ONE small problem all you wanna be stupid Golf fans,none of you have a clue what on earth you talking about.GO and buy a dessent car, i drive one my sister drives one and my 2year old also want one LETS GUESS what that is MMMM? EVO !!!! did i mention it has new mags!! |
"Here is why.... I am currently living in Dubai and to compare the price in Dubai to the one in SA one sees one thing only that SA is one of the most expensive places in the world when it comes to buying a car the new GTI in dubai DSG cost in the region of 130K AED that is before a generous dealer discount." Skuimtor, I hear what you are saying, and it's always interesting to hear from somebody on the ground in another market, yet I think the inflation argument the author used was to illustrate how close this GTI's price increase is to general inflation, making it very market relevant to other things people in RSA buy - yet don't complain about pricing wise. |
Not a bad car. A bit disappointed with the similarity with the Golf V but having said that, its a nice package. Those saying the ST and OPC will destroy this car amuse me. You obviously don't drive an OPC, ST or GTI. You have no idea how evenly matched all these cars are. None of you will KILL anyone, so stop talking nonsense. GTI altogether a better package than its competitors. |
Yes, it may have less power than the OPC, but it is sooo much more classy! The GTI has always been the perfect balance between comfort, practicality, driveability and performance. Some competitors do performance better, but they are jumpy and twitchy (especially the OPC) I really want a GTI. Seriously. This GTI will make me change from diesel to petrol again. |
It's amazing to think that a GTi was once an affordable car -- I had a Mk 1, 2 3 and 4. But it's no longer the young guys' hot hatch unless you happen to be a very rich young guy..oh well...sigh |
hi Guys
i dont agree with the statement you make about the price of the new golf. Here is why....
I am currently living in Dubai and to compare the price in Dubai to the one in SA one sees one thing only that SA is one of the most expensive places in the world when it comes to buying a car the new GTI in dubai DSG cost in the region of 130K AED that is before a generous dealer discount. Something u dont find in SA.
I can only think that the prices for Cars are directly related to Government Taxes that are imposed before the car even hits the show room floor. So stop trying to justify the price because u are being ripped off end of story.` |
I saw one today….it looked pretty sporty..not hot but sporty. Subtle styling suits it well. Hmmm quite fuel efficient as a family hatch should be… but hold on isn’t this suppose to be a Hot Hatch. Will be a best seller, u can count on that. Expect a lot of VW loyalist buying this and in the end chipping it to 170 plus kw's then brag how they beat other more powerful hatches but conveniently omitting the fact that its tuned. Open diff with clever traction control is a clever trick but it still no LSD….Should beat the ST from Journos point of view but how will it fair on the Track?.....Nonetheless its an overall improvement over the Mark5 and enough to surpass on an overall points level to surpass the ST,OPC etc….But I still hold my point that it’s a Jack of all trades and master of none. At Bo , At one time u cant belive.. AT ExboyRacer…yah I doubt it will beat the OPC around the track, we can argue all day about who is faster thru corners but acceleration on the straights goes hands down to OPC, and yes tracks do have Straights. Also u cant say we cannot compare the OPC to the GTi when they is the same price league.Dont bash the OPC. And as far as the the scirroco vs OPC goes, overtaking speeds the OPC will kill it, on a rolling start the OPC will Kill it. Remember u don’t exit a corner at 0kmph. As great as the VW twins are, they are no match for the OPC is terms of pure speed. Everything else we can argue about yes. |
Personally, I'm over the VW vs Opel stage in my life. However, I do think that the GTI VI can put out a lot more power, if VW increased the Boost etc. (As per the Opels thats already maxed out), however, this will affect the handling, as all the really quick Opels are killers, due to really bad handling (Check Top-Gear). And then we need to look at reliability. At R300>, you want a car that will last a while, unlike Opels that start ratteling after the first year, and break/blow motors, not that Opel engines are the cheapest to repair either... I still think that the GTI is a winner. |
...anyone here remembers the VW G5 GTi advert "The Grill, The Fire" it seems the fire has been estinguished and the grill stolen... |
Reebaza........you say that now but wait until you move away from VW and then you will miss it and come back home to VW..........Trust me, I did it and came back as well.....(Citi excluded!) |
Well done VW........You have not left drivers of the GTI V feeling as if they are driving an old Beetle. It's nice when a new car does not make the the older model look like a dinosaur..... |
"Both manual and DSG transmission GTIs are claimed to stop the timer at 6.9 sec from 0-100km/h – yet with the manual you would have to be a Giniel de Villiers of sorts to match the three-pedal GTI’s times."
I think the writer meant to say "two-pedal" as the DSG is quicker than the Manual and not the other way around.......
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No maintenance plan for a car over R300k - ouch!.... get the volvo c30 t5 with 169kw with 100k km maintenance plan. |
Should've called it the New Golf GTI V and a half! |
In SA, when you have dices in Welkom, Brakpan wherever, the one that reaches the next robot wins, so why are people always say that OPC's are crap. Ja around the track its horrible, but in the world i live in many of these dont go track racing. Its robot to robot and sorry to say OPC,ST,Renault Sport will beat this. Brand conscience people will buy this. I take the scooby, ugly but definitely faster and wont break that easy because it Jap. VW really disappointed with this. Wonder what the next Polo GTI would be like. This new engine of the year 1.4 with the same output as the old 1.8. |
Own a golf GTi V, just bought the new GTi VI... when it comes to vehicle aestetics, wheels make or break the overall look. since this is a facelifted Golf V, keeping the current wheels on the car was the correct thing to do to keep the balances in tact. best car mags of any manufacturer by far! keep it up VW. |
ADAMS - well said. I suppose Brakpan schooling isn't too hot after all. |
It doesn't have the WOW factor of the mk V. I remember how excited I was when that was launched, and I'm not even a big VW fan. Personally, I think the rear is extremely bland, it should have about 10kw more, and a maintenance plan should be included at this price. Overall, disappointing :( |
@Schumi2006 - How can you complain about someone not using their name when you do the same? Unless 2006 is your surname? Must be that Brakpan schooling system. |
No thank you... |
Surely it wouldn't have been too much trouble to change the mags. Otherwise a good car. |
having driven a GTi in the 4 and 5, i must admit that this is a wee little bit dissapointing...:(
It reminds me of the shift from golf 2 to 3...we had to defend buying the 3 at every stop. 3 to 4 was a massive improvement with Car giving the GT1 4 a 5 star rating! The GTi 5 was suberb...maybe too good? this comes with same amount of torque, yet Audi runs the 2.0 FSI turbo at 350nm...?? Wont buy this one... |
Thats the new Scirroco R I was refering to, sorry folks, I agree I would chip a low milage Golf V with unichip. |
ANON 1h56 -you chop - it may be a fraction slower than an OPC in a straight line, but will cream an OPC around the track. Also an OPC is Opel's best effort, so comparing the Astra 2.0T(GSI) is fair. Also in the Scirocco test by CAR it shows the OPC doing 0-100 in 7.4 secs, that's very quick hey, a whole second slower than a 147Kw Scirocco? All that, that 177Kw motor does is contribute the gross profit of tiger wheels, highQ, speedy and the like. It's just a tyre killer. So your OPC which is cheaper and faster will cost the same after you have replaced those 18" tyres umteenth times. OPC means OH PIECE of CRAP. Enjoy your your daewoo. |
I grew up with VW and I drive a Golf4 Gti at the moment. All I can say is that VW service is going down the drain. I no more service my car at VW. VW disappointed me big time. The new design of the Golf 6 is just pure laziness for that price.
The Scirocco should have been the Golf 6. My next car won’t be a VW, that’s for certain.
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At the end of the day does it improve on the V. IMHO i think a second V will be the car to buy as this isnt exactly anydifferent. @ Johnny good call on the scooby wrx at the same price its a much better buy. |
GTI has not changed much, when it was easy Im sure for them to have uped the power and torque. If I am not mistaken the same engines in S3, also the Scirocco for a few more bob (apparently 340k), 195 kws and looks a beuat! Please don't rip OPC drivers if that what you are doing, its much faster, even the Corsa, less the price. |
IF YOU WANT COOL MAGS - GO TO TIGER WHEEL AND TYRE OR MINTY'S |
Nice car, but I wont be buying it, because VW does not want to change their parts. All new cars still uses the same parts as the cars thata were build in 1900. Why must I put my life at risk, while we all know that all criminals in SA are after VW's? |
What a crock. Its common knowledge that VW sped up the V replacement due to excessive costs. The VI is meant to cost VW less to build and the process is supposed to be faster as well. So why then does the VI cost more than the outgoing model (inflation adjusted)? Yet all the brand sheep will run off and buy one without giving it a seconds thought. |
The 911 of all hot hatches, GOLF 6 GTI. |
Ive driven it already and honestly, the Golf 5 GTI feels much better and faster. In my opinion there should be another GTI above this one coz I just cant believe VW could not do better than this. Its a good car, but not excellent. It will fall short against its competitors. |
Nice car, will buy it if VW can "upgrade" the service at their services centres as well. |
still slower than the OPC, it supp to be an upgrade |
Anon @ 1:21PM: Sharp comment from someone who doesn't even want to give his own name. At least some people in Brakpan and Welkom can afford OPC's. Wonder what people in Nowhereland drives? 1.4 Litre Uno's? |
The lights look worse in the photots than in the flesh. Rims are a classic design and now blacked out instead of darkened. Difficult for GTI MKV owners (like me) to justify the cash on a new one. If I was buying my first one or upgrading from an older generation, I'd order one today. |
Let the Welkom and Brakpan dudes with their OPCs start commenting. . . |
Anon 1:01 "You need to take into account forex movements over that period as well Lance. also CAN'T BELIEVE they're using the same rims!! cost cutting in a depressed world ;)" - I think the writer knows its not a perfect price increase model, but maybe he just wants to compare to the CPI goods baskets. People don't want to kick chain stores windows in when food goes up by this much, but let a car price according to similar inflation and its the end of the world. With moving average Rand inflation, as it is imported, things would look quite the same I think. Rand was strong in 2004 against Dollar, yet then there was Dollar weakness versus Euro recently and GTI 6 is Euro zone. The same mags though, dit is mal ja. |
Few bucks and get the new 195KW Scooby WRX. Beaytiful it aint but bang for buck its a winner. Just waiting to see what the lancer sportback will look like and if SA is going to get the gt "detuned evo" version. Nothing against the GTI, not bad looking either but i just cant help thinking whether the Leon Cupra engine would not have been a better bet. Old ST and Megane's still have more power. GTI is in for one helluva fight. |
Power might seem a bit shy, but with a sorted chassis and XDS you can use all of it, which is the case with all FWD hot hatches. GTI, the original and the best? Probably. |
Interesting to see an economic argument from a journo for once about price. Like new steering wheel, want different wheels. How can you launch a new model range with same wheels? Madness. Performance/Economy blend appears very good. |
Rear lights odd shape and too big for me. Same wheels? What gives man. Interesting to see the XDS tech, I think it's because they broached 150kW threshold with it, seems to work well though. Good, comfy, fast hatch. I'll take one over a Focus ST - peoples hero of a hot hatch that the Ford is. |
Shew |
Hoe moeilik is dit om 'n nuwe reeks mags te bestel? Lui man. Res lyk netjies. Hou van die kloubeheer voor. |
Interesting inflation model argument, should shut the "why is it so expensive" brigade up for a while. Would have used PPI though as its imported. 155kW plenty for me. Just wish it had Scirocco wheels or anything different! |
Can't believe the multifunctional steering wheel is not standard. Like the split exhausts, front neat. Chassis tweaks should keep it up there. Still the standard. |
Thanks, but no thanks... at that price... i'd rather get a second hand G5 Gti and chip it. |
You need to take into account forex movements over that period as well Lance. also CAN'T BELIEVE they're using the same rims!! cost cutting in a depressed world ;) |
Good looking car. |