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Ferrari bid to overturn title

2012-11-29 04:57

Ferrari is considering a protest that could lead to the result of the 2012 Formula 1 World championship being overturned.

British and Italian media reports said Ferrari was "evaluating footage" to see if it showed Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel making an illegal overtake in Sunday's Brazilian GP in which he finished sixth and took a third consecutive Drivers' championship, beating Ferrari's Fernando Alonso by three points.

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Ferrari is analysing TV footage from Vettel's on-board camera to determine if the 25-year-old overtook Toro Rosso's Jean-Eric Vergne in an illegal area of the track.

Vettel could be dropped to eighth if any protest is upheld and Alonso would be World champion by one point.

Spaniard Alonso tweeted cryptically on Tuesday: "I cannot perform miracles. I make miracles within the rules."

Ferrari, Red Bull and the governing FIA could not immediately be reached for comment but the FIA can decide to investigate even without a Ferrari protest.

Vettel became the youngest triple World champion at Interlagos on Sunday despite being involved in an early collision which left him at the back of the field and facing backwards before he fought his way up to sixth.

Reuters

Comments
  • Vickers - 2012-11-29 05:37

    What a bunch of chops. Accept your defeat and get your ducks in a row for next year! All this moaning and whining is starting to alienate your fans.

      cobus123456 - 2012-11-29 06:21

      The fact is rules are rules and if the tables were turned RedBullS*&%t would have lodged a complaint already.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-11-29 08:46

      A couple of years ago all "F" haters(or was it MS) were crying and wanted to test and dispute everything. Now that the shoes is on the other foot "some" people wants to get away with it. Let is be investigate and if so, let fair be fair.

      Vickers - 2012-12-01 09:29

      http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/f1-grand-prix/ferrari-drops-appeal-against-vettel-1.1433815#.ULmxRWdmmkQ

  • LouisPVenter - 2012-11-29 06:47

    Ferrari is a bunch of pathetic losers

      John Camp - 2012-11-29 07:35

      Louis, is that the best comment you can give? who's the loser? why should Ferrari need to appeal when the FIA have clear evidence of an infringement? should they not investigate as the FIA? you're clearly a Vettel supporter that feels threatened. Rules are rules dude and when you overtake an HRT, Kamui and Vergne under yellow expect consequences

      jdbothma - 2012-11-29 08:37

      Most successful team in F1

  • riaan.kruger - 2012-11-29 06:55

    ....Shame Alonso....real cry baby....always bitching and moaning...not a team player at al. I know you are the best but you would never be on my team if i had one........

      arthur.salvado - 2012-11-29 07:01

      mmmm riaan, makes me wonder if you know the sport at all and what's at risk financially or otherwise. You race to win and if there is a false start, a pass under a yellow flag, then a penalty is incurred. It's not Ferrari, it's the rules. Now , be nice.

      nbasson - 2012-11-29 16:42

      I don't know what drugs you are on, but can I try some?

      JManAtheoi - 2012-11-30 07:41

      You must be a F1 expert....

  • derek.francois.3 - 2012-11-29 06:56

    I agree Cobus rules are rules and level the playing field for all drivers, there has been enough shenanigans in F1 in the past and would not want the sport to degenerate to the level of our perception of cycling (Armstrong)......................................

  • sfortmann1 - 2012-11-29 06:59

    For all the people out there that are saying, Get over it and move on you clearly have no regard for the sport, or rules of F1. This isn't only about bragging rights of I am the 2012 Champion there is a lot more involved that you are clearly to dumb to see. As for Vettel, he didn't deserve the Championship, there have been numerous occassions in which he has broken the laws of F1/FIA and the only time a penalty has come into effect was in Germany for his Pass on Button. Rules are rules, it doesn't matter how/Why/when or WHO breaks them, if they did, they deserve a penalty. I for one am glad that Ferrari may be protesting against the result as if the FIA and Charlie Whiting did infact miss the Pass under yellows, it shows they to make mistakes and that something needs to be done in the way they monitor the cars. Vettel has gotten away with way to much this year and hope he is stripped of his title. Karma comes, let's just wait, sit back and enjoy the show

      charles.richards.5895 - 2012-11-29 07:23

      Skysports are referring to a pass on Kobiashi under yellow and red, this article about pass on Verne under yellow flag.Confusing. Agree with your statment

      Vanman1979 - 2012-11-29 08:19

      True rules are rules. How many times have Ferrari contravined the rules and got away with it? To many to count. Vettled drove brilliantly to get back after the crash and with a damaged car. That is the mark of a true champion. Ferrari didn't have the pace nor did Alonso have the ability to win this outright.

      johnmark.halmo - 2012-11-29 08:35

      Well at least Vettel didn't rely on team orders every race to maximize his points like Alonso because Alonso was unable to gain those points himself. Webber actually finished ahead of Vettel in Brazil and Red Bull could have easily told Mark to let Vettel ahead even if it cost Mark a few places and then easily secured Vettel the title on points.

      Justin - 2012-11-29 12:50

      Vettel was penalised in Italy, Abu Dhabi and Germany =3 not 1. The rules are rules and were applied accordingly. You have selective memory. You know very little about rules read my post to educate yourself - how flags and lights work in f1. That's the problem with the world, people that "think" they know how stuff works

      nbasson - 2012-11-29 16:51

      @DJVANMAN And how many rules have Red Bull broken this year and got away with it? Their car had so many technical controversies surrounding it this season, its not even funny. Newey is a genius, but if you bend and break the rules to give your driver an advantage over the rest of the field then it's still cheating. So get off your "but, but, other people has also broken rules" high horse.

  • darryl.rebello.90 - 2012-11-29 07:03

    F1 is becoming more of a farce every time one of these issues is raised For those who are complaining about Alonso...read the article again...he is not complaining at all and at this point neither are Ferrari...it is the FIA that are doing so. Red Bull are well known for "pushing the rules as far as possible"...but it would be a shame for a great like Alonso to :win" like this... cannot wait for the HUNT / LAUDA movie to come out...that was racing in the true sense...

      John Camp - 2012-11-29 07:38

      thumbs up, it seems like someone is reading the article for what it is

      peter.gugelmin - 2012-11-29 08:11

      Can't but agree with you Bear. Looking at your pic, you come from a different age, sadly never to return

      mark.singh.9889 - 2012-11-29 09:40

      Maybe the bear should read the headline again. Ferari is considering a protest against the result. As usual they will stoop to the lowest level to have things in their favour. I mean tampering with Massas gearbox to have Alonso moved up the grid. What a bunch of losers

      darryl.rebello.90 - 2012-11-29 10:20

      @mark this is a typical NEWS 24 headline...which is distorted...it says that Ferrari are evaluating the evidence...not bidding for a revision which would be a formal application to the FIA...so your confusion is understandable...please remember that the amount of money involved here could run a small country for a year and FERRARI are responsible to their shareholders for returns as much as anyone else. Also GP is their only form of public exposure...they do not advertise... @peter...sadly so...I feel sometimes that I live on the DARK SIDE of the MOON...it was so great to watch this sport , more to hear it, in the 70's and live as well...the only regrettable part was the frequent deaths...and all on those who comment against FERRARI...in this sport you either support the RED CAR or you don't and really jealousy just makes you nasty... F

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2012-11-29 07:28

    What a twist, im not a Ferrari or Alonso supporter but rules are there for a reason and there's far to much at stake to overlook the incident.

  • greg.wochlik - 2012-11-29 07:45

    FIA = Ferrari International Assistance! Bernie must be on their pay-roll. I stopped watching this circus 5 or 6 years ago!

      delish7564 - 2012-11-29 08:04

      I stopped watching when it was OK for Shooie to make a dangerous move but when Damon Hill did the same thing there was an uproar......that will give you an idea how long ago that was!! Can't stand Alonso and don't know much about Vettel, so neutral in that one, but, it does seem to still be the case that some people are allowed to get away with things and others aren't.....Ferrari still seem to pull the strings :(

      John Camp - 2012-11-29 08:18

      @greg, pity you haven't stopped commenting too

      alonso.opinion - 2012-11-29 09:27

      stopped watching but still comment a lot of nonsense. Rather go comment on Women24 or something.

      rodney.louis.7 - 2012-11-29 09:31

      @ greg who cares ... F1 rocks .. much more competitive now then ever before

      darryl.rebello.90 - 2012-11-29 13:13

      Why don't you just go and comment on the cooking channels? if you don't like F1 at all...then you are welcome to change the channel...if you don't just like Ferrari...then support another team...slamming the other teams is just so "HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL" For this reason I do not watch IDOLS and the COOKING SHOWS and I also do not comment on them..

  • TheMoMeister - 2012-11-29 07:57

    As a Huge EX Ferrari fan.....BOO HOO HOO!

  • nkhangwe.madzivh - 2012-11-29 08:08

    They were very desperate to win the championships,i understand their frustration,is being a while since they have been taken out of lime light.my advice to them is "work very hard to bring fast car like Redbull and maclaren" and Alonso will win his championships on the tracks not they way you want it.

  • Vanman1979 - 2012-11-29 08:16

    So Ferrari wants to challenge the outcome. Lert them. If there was an infringement it would have been handled in the race itself. How quickly do they forget the team orders that saw Michael win and Baricelo moved down to second. That is just as bad. But I forget it is once agian Ferrari that cant take defeat on the chin. Had the tables been turned nothing would happen as Ferrari has the FIA in their pocket.

  • zaaristotle - 2012-11-29 08:22

    Rules are rules, but then you apply them immeditely as you see them. If you want to cry foul, you cry on the day and you lodge a complaint or at least an intent to protest - on the day. You don't mope about, making all kinds of comments to the media, and take days to study footage before deciding. Ferrari has a budget of 100's of millions, but they don't have specialists analysing the race as it's happening - ag shame. Ferrari are a bunch of sore losers - I am a Ferrari supporter, but let's also be reasonable. Personally I think Alonso simply can't take the fact that he is 31, time is running out, and he has been twice beaten by a better driver/car combination.

  • robert.p.gemmell - 2012-11-29 08:28

    Honestly if he broke the rules then he needs to suffer the consequences. Personally I don't like the way this could turn out and if he does get pushed to 8th I would not enjoy the win but that is life and those are the rules. Both are great drivers and both made the season a great to watch.

  • jt.kotze - 2012-11-29 08:37

    Rules are rules yes. But if one could apply the rules after the fact/race/game the Springboks would be world champs as we stand... Rules can only be applied on the day. And at best they can dock Sebba 10 spots for the next race. That is how you can apply them.

      rodney.louis.7 - 2012-11-29 13:05

      @ Jay .. then why was Lance Amstrong banned long after He won ? Rules must be applied once cheating or misconduct is found

      camp.j - 2012-11-29 14:13

      lol @Rodney, i just loved that retort bro' well said, RESPEK!

  • francois.rauch - 2012-11-29 08:38

    The Ferrari mafia .... should stop being cry babies. I have just lost total respect for the team I supported. What a shame!

  • alonso.opinion - 2012-11-29 09:32

    I agree rules are rules, but Ferrari can only blame themselves for not getting the title for Alonso. They brought a rubish car to the racetrack this year, they should actually apologise to their fans for that. It was just Alonso's fantastic skill & Massa'a support that got them so close. I would say they must stop wasting time and effort and get their eye on the ball for next year. Give Alonso & Massa a Red Bull competitive car please.

  • mark.singh.9889 - 2012-11-29 09:36

    Ferrari have sunken to a new low. There is no level too low for them to stoop to. They were not very competitive and had it not been for McLarens misfortunes, Alonso would have not even finished 2nd. Alonso is one of the best drivers but to stoop to looking for technicalities to have a result turned in their favour will certainly take the gloss of what he has achieved. Ferrari should just learn to be graceful in defeat and work on trying to better themsleves on the track.

      darryl.rebello.90 - 2012-11-29 10:25

      Jealousy really makes you nasty Mark... Alonso is definitely the best on the track...and bringing other team's misfortunes into it just negates your argument...F1 is a team sport not a car sport...JYS spent his career fighting the rules to make the sport safe and fair...and this is the right thing to do...Agreed however that it is unbecoming of the greatest name in motorsport to do so...but the rules are the rules... I

  • miquette.caalsen - 2012-11-29 10:06

    Ok not a Ferrari or Alonso fan here BUT what I read in this story is that Ferrari are analysing the footage first to see if a challenge is warranted. Whichi s much better I think than just rushing out and crying foul - they want to make sure first is there was a foul. That's not so pathetic is it? If there wasn't then they hae no case and the standings remain as they are, but if there was rule-breaking involved then it should be looked at and judged fairly in how much of a difference it made before titles are changed. Vettel hasn't exactly been a saint this year in his driving - and that's maybe a problem. There was just-just enough misdemeanor behaviour this year from the Red Bull side to make people go "hmmmm" ...

  • charles.richards.5895 - 2012-11-29 11:54

    It is now top news on Skysports.com Get the facts and get off Ferraris back. Martin Brundle did not do his freeking job or did he overlook it because its a Brittish team

  • abdul.cassiem.9 - 2012-11-29 12:24

    Am a die hard Ferrari fan,I've cme to terms w t results,but jst saw t footage on sky news an I thnk thy hve a cse

  • Justin - 2012-11-29 12:40

    There is nothing to this story and many !! so called F1 fans here don't actually understand rules. By the way Vettel has taken 3 big penalties this year, as have other drivers. Rules 101 for the ignorant Actual Flags take precendence over lights (in car and track), which are only to assist/supplement marshalls. There was clearly a Big green flag being waved, by a Marshall in all videos before the overtake and therfore it is legal - go read the rules on FIA website. So Ferrari can complain, the FIA will accept the result - no infringement. Ferrari and Alonso will just damage themselves more with this further petty grasp at straws. Also the Torro Rosso backed off so there is also telementry that will be examined, but this is really non issue because the green flag ends the didscussion.

      Justin - 2012-11-29 14:09

      And the FIA agree with me

  • zetw1 - 2012-11-29 12:58

    I am a Ferrari fan , i do support Alonso who has done great in a a non competitive car. He is a good driver. But i don't agree with this situation. During the race this yellow flag incident should have been looked at and investigated. This is not the way to become World Champion. That said rules are rules. And if you saw the interview with Pat Frey from Ferrari he thought it was a yellow and blue flag which meant the tract was slippery or there was oil on the track. Ferrari did not continue to talk about this - it was the Sky Sport Commentators. Alonso did not complain , even before the race Alonso also said if Vettel wins the Championship he will be the first to congratulate him.

  • colin.ashby.35 - 2012-11-29 13:12

    oooh..bad losers. i dont think i will ever be a ferrari supporter

      darryl.rebello.90 - 2012-11-29 13:22

      That is why there is a McLAREN team...support them...or one of the other 10 teams Again for those who did not either read the article or watch the race...it was ITV who brought up the flags issue not FERRARI...and FERRARI have both a right and an obligation to investigate the issue...F1 is a huge business. When a goal or try that should be disallowed in say Football or Rugby in terms of the rules is allowed to stand...then who really won the game? Remember Bryce and his haphazard ref'ing before you comment too harshly on the matter...clearly this is why we have the rules...

  • charles.richards.5895 - 2012-11-29 14:34

    Just seen clip on sky news showing Vettel passing Verne on his left with a flashing yellow visible on the left side of track. FIA say the title will not be overturned. I recon Ferrari will receive a nice Christmas present to shut up

  • marius.croucamp.3 - 2012-11-29 15:52

    WRONG ferrari, Vettel overtook under a green flag at the marchals post! FIA will confirm. Ferrari should take defeat like a man.

      nbasson - 2012-11-29 17:04

      Where is the green flag? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2240062/Sebastian-Vettel-lose-title-Fernando-Alonso-illegal-overtake--video.html

  • jake.thesnake.3950 - 2012-11-29 16:25

    I was about ready to forgive Alonso for waving his fist at Petrov at the end of Abu Dhabi 2011, but now I'm SURE that he's a whiny brat, and I cannot EVER support a f&*kin' @$$hole like him. Pity, he's got some mad skills.

  • leto.atreidies - 2012-11-29 21:51

    come on people, be realistic, its a few metres at hundreds of km's per hour...really? wheres the spirit of the sport gone?

  • heinrich.vanjaarsveld.52 - 2012-11-29 22:05

    For all u dumd inbreds ferrari fans learn the f####g rules or let me SPELL it out go watch the replay look look very closely that's it just there see that marshall with the green flag that means GO GO GO in F1 the marshall trumps the lights any electronics can be slow the marshall gets the orders and put out there flags while the lights should get some time to change so inbreds learn the freaking rules

  • willem.vanrensburg.35 - 2012-11-30 07:55

    Would Alonso want to win this way? I think F1 is becomming another WWF where the best are not allowed to win.

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